Posted by What mutation/breeding items can you use together?
Laila 💰
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2017-08-05 12:27:27
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Often people ask this question, What mutation items can I use together? and people debate on the answer. This guide is to help those wondering.
Note: Pennyroyal and CRB were separate because it is a special procedure.

CRB & Pennyroyal (& Red Cock)
You can use a CRB first. Wait the three days until the lioness is in heat. Then you can use a Pennyroyal to increase the odds of getting a smilus.
Say you had a primal born, the Pennyroyal increase the chances of said primal being a primal Smilus
If you use a red cock, it also increases the chances of having a Primal Smilus because Smilus cubs can only be male.

CRB & Lion Meat, GMO Cow, or Lion Scrotum
As with the CRB and Pennyroyal, you should always use the CRB first. After you use he CRB, the lioness should be on a three day cool down. Once she is in heat again, use the Lion meat, GMO Cow, or lion scrotum. *You can only use the CRB and one of these items*


Pennyroyal & Lion Scrotum, Lion Meat, or GMO Cow
According to Locust, you can use a pennyroyal with any one of these items. The Pennyroyal will increase your chances of any primal mutation being a smilus. The other items will increase your chances for a mutation.

Red Cock, Great Tit, Grain Of Paradise, or Buffalo Scrotum
These items can be used with ANY of the above combinations to choose the number of cubs and/or the gender of the cubs. Do not use the Red Cock and Great Tit together, however, as they will not work and whichever you used last will be the gender of the cubs.

CAN'T be used together!
GMO Cow & Lion Scrotum
GMO Cow & Lion Meat
Lion Scrotum & Lion Meat
Great Tit & Red Cock
CRB & CRB
Lion meat & Lion meat
GMO cow & GMO cow


Special thanks to Locust (#54568) for helping me.



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Edited on 13/08/17 @ 16:58:21 by Laila 💰 (Gryffindor) (#96222)

SiennaSnow (#210555)

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2020-09-13 03:35:15
I think it would be easier to understand if you would replace the commas with slashes. For example this "CRB & Lion Meat, GMO Cow, or Lion Scrotum" reads to me like you can use CRB with Lion Meat AND/OR GMO cow AND/OR Lion Scrotum not just one of those three.

But this is super helpful cause I am still struggling with that entire rolling order of muts and so on.



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Monca2020 (#174113)

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2020-09-15 18:36:38
Can GMO Cow be used in a lionesses without mutation? Or it need be used in a lionesses with mutation?



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SiennaSnow (#210555)

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2020-09-16 04:36:46
@Monca2020: You can use it on a lioness without mutation. Many of the mutations (achromia, melanism, dwarfism, polycaudal, etc) dont pass naturally and occur randomly. GMO cows up those chances.



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Monica (#169435)

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2020-09-27 17:36:24
Hi. I have a question: Can I use Buffalo Scrotum + Pennyroyal or Buffalo Scrotum + Lion Meat?



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PachaMama/G2 Arctic
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2020-09-27 17:40:56
i believe so. the buffalo scrotum is given to the stud to increase litter size, while Lion Meat is for the female to increase chance of mutation. pennyroyal is used in Primal breeding so i think it can all intermingle



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Monica (#169435)

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2020-09-27 22:40:50
I want to use CRB in one of my lionesses but I'm in doubt what is better to use after: GMO or Lion Meat?
The lionesse that I go use CRB + Lion Meat/GMO are not mut.



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PachaMama/G2 Arctic
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2020-09-27 22:48:41
GMO cow gives the highest chance of mutation, next down is Lion Balls, then Lion Meat. they use the same slot that's why they can't be combined.



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Edited on 27/09/20 @ 23:02:04 by PachaMama (#172483)

babycakes21 - hiatus (#215205)

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2020-10-04 14:30:02
If I use a red cock with a GMO, will it raise the chances for a hybrid/pie/patches? And a GMO has *some* chance of producing ANY mut right?



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2020-10-04 17:24:28
right, and the Red Cock guarantees all males in the litter, so your chance of Smilus goes up when breeding Primals only. nothing really raises the chance of a 1st gen Hybrid. it's pure RNG luck. you have to breed to a Pie/Patches to get one. you can't breed non Pie/Patch parents with a GMO cow to get one. GMO passes more things like lethals, mane muts, DU's, etc. and the ever so small chance of a 1st Gen Hybrid or Dwarf. i've seen dwarfs come out of DU girls with a GMO cow used, and 1st Gen Hybrids so it's possible. larger litters give better odds



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babycakes21 - hiatus (#215205)

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2020-10-04 18:16:21
yeah, i got a DU heat, and was going to use a buffy scrote, GMO and a red cock, but *shouldn't* it raise the chances as the mane muts can't happen? that crosses out a lot of them, but it may just raise the chances for the others... thanks!



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PachaMama/G2 Arctic
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2020-10-04 18:18:38
yeah the only mane mut for males is Maneless. but you also lose your chance for DU's with an all male litter, so there are pros & cons both



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Edited on 04/10/20 @ 18:20:27 by PachaMama (#172483)

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2020-11-22 13:18:45
would i be able to use the following;

CRB > GMO cow > Buffy Balls > Crunchy Worm?
would any of those cancel out one another or would i be okay to stack them all?



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Katness! (#222343)

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2021-01-31 21:47:52
could i use a CRB then a lion scrotum and buffalo scrotum? im not sure cuz no other forums went into detail about it



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PachaMama/G2 Arctic
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2021-01-31 21:57:30
@Katness
use the CRB first to miscarry the 1st litter. do not do this for a dwarf or hybrid litter because the chance of losing a mutie cub. when the female is ready to breed again, use the lion scrotum on the female and the buffalo scrotum on the stud you're using. lion scrotum passes female mutation-but does not work on hybrids! buffalo scrotum only increases litter size to a minimum of 3 cubs, max of 4. for hybrid breeding, all you need is a Buffy and a prayer to RNG. no items boost the pass rate of hybrids....only increasing litter size do you up your chances of passing a hybrid.



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Katness! (#222343)

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2021-01-31 22:01:20
oh shoot, im breeding a dwarf XD thanks!



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