You could probably make him as expensive as you want, 2-5GB and people would still stud with him cause he is the only one.

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Yay, great news! And I for one would be highly in favour of as cheap as possible, so I can breed a million times.. xD! But obviously, if I were in your position, I'd opt for something a little higher to be perfectly honest - cash in while you can, why not x'D I feel like 2GB is a very fair price; 2 - 5 GB would be a reasonable range, and I feel like people would still be happy to pay for that.

@Lithium; I'll write a breakdown of how opacity works and how I've applied it to this theory soon; have to get my oldest to school (we're officially 2 minutes late already xD!)

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If it pass's as easily as the stone shows it's probably in your best interest to price him high to start off so you can earn back what you paid, then lower it as more kings pop up.

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SO excited to stud to him if he will be open, Mel. :D Hopefully I can get to a slot in time. :P

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Quick break-down on opacity-passing:

Parent pairing:



First scry:

As you can see, one lion has slot 2 missing - therefore slot 2 has passed at around half the ratio from the sire who has slot 2: White Puma (40%). The next marking passed is Slot 3: Cream Inverted Brindle (73%) - as you can see, the lioness has Cream Inverted Brindle (45%) in her slot 3, while the king has Celestial Shine (100%). The opacity has raised by a degree on the slot three on the cub, given that both lions share the slot - and one opacity is higher than that of the given opacity of Cream Inverted Brindle on the lioness. The last slot to pass is Slot 7: Under Cream 3 (24%). Again, this marking has passed from only one parent (the lioness) - and the king does not share this slot. The opacity of Slot 7: Under Cream 3 on the lioness is 48%. Because it has passed into an 'empty' slot; it has again passed at a half ratio. Bear in mind that it does not always pass at exactly half, but within a 20% range of half in most instances.

Second scry:


Third scry:


And now with a higher opacity pairing, perhaps?
I will pair my lioness Chupacabra with my king, Fearless Feralis.

First scry:

As you can see, most of the opacities have come back at 100% - this is because the slots are all shared by an equally high opacity mark; all slots are full, and all slots are at 100%. While the mark is not the same, the ratio will usually spot around a 15% ratio on full opacity markings (but I give a ratio up to 20 for safety) - which is illustrated by the unshared slot 5: Onyx Cheetah Soft (96%) - the mark was passed by my king, but because the mark is not shared by the lioness, it has worked in at a lower ratio. Odds are, it could have randomly spawned at 100% like the others as well - but because it is unshared, it has spawned lower thanks to RNG.

Second scry:


Third scry:


But what happens if neither parent is 100%?
King paired with Lioness.

First scry:

Given that one lion is in the 70% range and the other is in the 50% range, the marking will randomly throw from one or the other within a 20% margin of that marking. Generally, the lower marking will fill a 20% margin higher, rather than lower, thanks to the presence of the other higher opacity marking.

Second scry:


Third scry:


Now, these aren't official statistics - these are just my own findings. But feel free to scry them out, I think they're pretty solid :D Also, Abbey did confirm to me that a higher opacity lion WILL produce higher opacity cubs, so - it basically fits with all my results ;D I specialize in opacity breeding, so I've done a lot of scrying x'D

Basically, I've based my theory on the thought that where the rosette marking passes is a 'slave' slot; therefore it will throw at the opacity of the original, intended marking. Therefore, if we scry enough times to try and match opacities, we should get a select range of markings that will be the only ones that appear within that range - which would therefore mean at least one of those markings is a slave marking OR a combination marking. If that makes sense ^_^

Of course, I will scry to get more evidence. If it starts to fail, then I will assume that the markings are combining like normal markings, which means a 20% range to calculate and work through!

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Interesting, but if your opacity assumption is true I gotta say i don't like it. kinda lame to add opacity as a factor on these new rosettes when before we've been told it's random. I think its unnecessary. Either way, keep up the good work

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The opacity factor isn't what is making the marking appear, it is just my method for finding out what the marking is :) In terms of opacity being random, it is to a degree - but it has a threshold of 20% either way. So there is no guaranteed way to predict opacity, but you can predict it within a range if you watch your pairings :).

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Oops,right, my bad. It's like 2am. I'm a dumbass. Makes sense now. Thats still pretty good.
Now we just need to wait and see what the other soft/heavy marks entail.

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Naw, it's okay, it all gets confusing asf xD Sometimes I get lost in what I'm trying to calculate LOL especially in the middle of the night, when my brain is half asleep :D We just need a bunch more positive scry results from the same pairings, so I can compare all the results. Tedious, but hopefully effective :D

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I mean, you and others are only helping yourselves and others to understand the possibilites and likely outcomes that come from breeding for these marks and you';re doing a pretty stellar job so far. Theres already a good few possibilities that we now know and thats all been within the span of a couple days

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Ahhh well I sure hope it has been helpful to some degree, I've plugged more GB than I care to admit into the stone alone xD! Hopefully SOMEONE out there will reap the benefit of all our work, everyone else has done AMAZING with this project; loving the team effort x'D So big ups <3

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Well dang! Thank you for explaining that so well, CALA. I seriously have been completely under a misunderstanding with how opacity works here! And now I also understand why you were looking at opacities with scries.

I did a little experimenting with some scrying today earlier - finding some very limited marked lions and tried to get a feline 7 white x fiery undershine to pop a rosette. I had no luck, but as we can see that may not mean TOO much.

So what's the next best step in our research?

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Yeah, at this point in the game, the failed results aren't really giving us the information we need, seeing as it seems like the pass rate is rather on the thin side.. So I'm thinking the best course of action right now is to scry already confirmed pairings until we get at least three confirmed rosettes from each pair (five would be preferable, but highly costly).

We would then go from each pairing, and scry a further FIVE times and record the data of which markings are passing at the same opacity as the formerly passed rosettes. Hopefully, the rosette pass-rates will either stay within the same range OR there will be a rosette pop up that has a comletely different margin (which will then allow us to look at other markings that are appearing within other ranges).

If any of that makes sense at all x"D

Even then, the pass rate could be a combined one - in which case, we would need to do further scrying of existing pairs and record ALL opacity information from each scry, in order to determine which markings produce what yield! A lot of work, LOL.

But, basically, we need more rosette results from pairs that have already had a successful scry, to compare against :) So ANY help is MUCH appreciated!

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Are we only focusing on the parents of born rosette cubs, or are we also counting scrys as successful?

I feel my king is... a bit of a pain. He's throwing EVERY kind of rosette (in scries) with one lioness or another, On the other hand - he's throwing rosettes reliably with most of my lionesses. xD

That said I still have quite a bit of SB I can kill trying to get some results.

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Any successful scry will work just as well as birthed cubs :) Either way, the formula required must be the same in some way or another, and the more successful tries we have against different pairings, the better :D

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