My transparent polycaudal makes me sad. (He's currently stuck in cub form to give him color but still)

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Yea I've seen so many transparent muties, especially lethals. Honestly I'd be really happy if they could fix it, it annoys me quite a bit.

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Even though thus would be a nice thing, think of how many bases and markings there are. It’d be far too much work, especially for Lea that’s considering they don’t really last that long. Il have to no support because just thinking about someone sitting there and fixing every single base for every single mutie is,, terrifying from an artists pov lmao.
It’s a nice thing that may come in the future though. Once xylax has some time on their hands. I mean they could be working on it in the background after finishing all planned decor for all we know aha

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I support this wholeheartedly, and not even for personal reasons. It’s just... simple reasoning. Why are we releasing new mutations (such as tigons) when we should really be focusing on updating the files for the muties we’ve had forever? Priorities, man.

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support! i understand the scope of the work is massive but i want decors for adult male primals too ;; i dont care if it means other art rolls out slower. some of them just need to be moved a bit, so it’s frustrating looking at a broken decor in the wardrobe thinking im not an artist but even i could reposition this in two minutes

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Oh yeah, I should maybe add more about decor!

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phANTom, but most of the art doesnt just need to be re positioned. sure for some birds or creatures thats all it take but any body decor or even some highly interactive decor (ie mouse on head, cub decor and snakes) would need to be completely redrawn for primals. just re positioning the art, unless its either to go in the background or a decor that doesnt interact with your king (ie siberian friend, the harbringer etc), would look exteremly cheaply/quickly done and that doesnt follow liodens theme with their decors and simply would look out of place :/

i apologise if this comes off as any type of aggressive, i seriously dont mean it to be and id love if you gave some examples of decor that would be able to be re positioned and still look decent on a primal (aside from the small creatures like birds and stuff)

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sure, i understand! i know most of the art can't just be repositioned, but i'd rather have a few options for body decor than none at all. you know what looks extremely cheap? decor that just floats above the primal.

it looks like crap because i didn't have the transparency of the original images, but you can see how well some decor lines up when it's just shifted a few pixels. here's my heir modeling a fancy mouse that just needed to be moved to the right, claw extensions that just needed to be lined up, scars that just needed to be moved down, and eye decor, which lines up perfectly if you just put the right eye a bit lower than the left eye.

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Thats a fair point. i gotta agree, eye decors could be easily fixed. i guess its because on here muties arent seen as a separate thing like poses, for example, are. there would be far too many files i guess.

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Okay just an FYI, Xy works incredibly hard on this game, and he said that all mutation files would be updated before tigons were released, but with each new release of a new mark or base, he has to create the base and mark for EACH mutation, its time consuming I imagine. We have over 30 bases, and too many marks to count imagine doing that for all of our mutations and future mutations. He is working on it. You just need to be patient with him as he uploads them.


if you encounter missing files there IS an art bugboard you can report these things too as well. I do think a suggestion was a bit of a wrong way to go about this. There are bugboards to report your art bugs and he will get to them when he can, he might miss a few files here and there too.

So, I do not support because a suggestion for him to update files is rather frank and rushing when Ive seen him do streams of updating mutation files for over 4 hours. Ive seen the process and how time consuming it is, and I dont blame him if he wants to work on other things beside mutie files, that shit looks repetitive as fuck.

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^agree, no support

also the issue with decor for muties: theres no coding to make that possible as of now so.. unless the whole site gets recoded its not gonna happen. custom decor is here to provide decor for muties.

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ok, i understand, but we're not saying he doesn't work hard or that he needs to drop everything until they're finished. we're saying we'd like to see these prioritized more highly than they seem to be lately. there's this problem with suggestion forums on many sites where people get really defensive and assume that, because someone makes a suggestion, the absence of said suggestion's implementation is just absolutely ruining their experience of a game, and that's not true. all we're saying is that we'd love to see more attention brought to this

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Just to add on to televisions comment, the game actually had 198 total bases according to the wiki and 1499 total markings, again according to the wiki (which as far as im aware is updated by either xy or the mods since unreleased apps or decors do get previewed on there first, especially event ones)

thats a total of 1697 files and if we x that by the amount of mutations there are (not including pies or lethals for now)
thats 1697*29 that alone is 49213 files, again not including lethals. Now, if we go back a step and multiply 1697*14, which is the number of physical mutations that effect both sexes, aside from achromia and melenism, that is 23758.
10 being those that effect all ages. that means 16970 files multiplied by all ages of each gender, which is 7 altogether. so 16970*7 is 118790, now ill add up the rest and show the working here.
smilus - 1697*5 (since male only)= 8485
toothless - 1697*5 (only physically effected after dlc cub things are passed) = 8485
OG teeth & claws, only effects both adult genders. 1697*4 = 6788.
maneless - 1697*2 = 3394
The rest are adult female only and are the mane mutations, which in total add up to 20364 (12*1697)
118790+8485+8485+6788+3394+20364=166306
thats 166306 files for all physical mutations (aside from achromia and melenism since thats just a layer on top of the normal base.

Now we look into lethals. theres a total of 7 lethals who only are at the cub stage so again its a 1697*7 = 11879
Leopons are also mixed int this since they can have normal markings, so again, thats 1697*7, which is another 11879

now finally altogether thats a massive 166306 + 11879 + 11879 = 190064
thats a massive amount of files for one person to produce. i understand not all files will need edits, or big edits but its still a massive amount. According to the wiki also, there are tigon sketches there, currently there are 6 sketches to do with the tigons, so if xy sticks to these 6 stages, that will be another 10182 on top of the 190064.

TLDR; theres a massive amount of files that would need to be implemented for this to work properly, in fact 190064 according to my personal research. Despite not all of them will be original files since some muties only change a part of their lineart, it is still a massive amount of files and most will require atleast a little bit of editing.

Oh boy this took time, and my pc bluescreened whilst i was researching for this but i hope yall have a much better understanding now.

edit// i wouldve went into detail about decor too, but i cannot find the total amount of decor in game/effects or interacts with your lion in anyway. so i apologise for that

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So Looking at the figures that Freaky provided us, 190064 files, plus the new tigon stages, Xy will always be behind on mutation files if you keep this all in mind. I dont blame him for wanting to start a new project after working on so many mutation files. Tigons must have been a refreshing change to art up, but yet he still needs to do the same thing as he does with other mutations. Xylax will never be entirely caught up, as disheartening as that sounds, because as soon as he comes close to finishing up mutation files (like he has now) another mutation is released. 10182 files to create.


Not to mention Décor, Like Rainbow said, theyd have to recode quite a bit of stuff, and reposition everything on top of doing the mutation files, there is FAR too much décor to change even MOST of them. Im sure from now on they try to make décor thats friendly for all mutations but even then with lioden, thats what you gotta sacrifice having a primal or mutated king,

Itd take MONTHS to do that all, and imagine how restless the community would get if new bases, markings, or mutations weren't released in MONTHS so that he could catch up. Then once he's caught up more bases and markings would be released and the process starts over.

Like I said just be patient, he is doing his best. Let him complete things how he pleases, because I'd personally go insane if I were him. The stress of keeping the community happy with new things, never being caught up, and people jumping down your throat about tigons? Please understand he is trying to focus on mutation files, but like I said he will NEVER be caught up and the process is endless.

I'm not supporting because this suggestion is otherwise pointless, because he IS updating files, slowly but surely And the suggestion just makes it seem like he's completely forgotten about them

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