Posted by Mandarin Pass Rate Fix

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2018-11-09 07:24:15
Mandarin was introduced into the game 9 days ago and, so far, it seems almost impossible to pass. Taking a peek at the few Mandarin studs out there, out of 437 so far only one has inherited the base, and it appears it was due to a Crunchy Worm and not naturally. Using these, it appears that Mandarin has a 0,002% chance of passing - and yet, it could be much, much less, because that single cub did not inherit Mandarin naturally. Why does this happen? Aside from the fact that hyrid bases have a penalty of sorts when none of the parents are the hybrid the base came from, Mandarin is a Medium base, which makes it even more difficult to pass.

With that in mind, I think it would be fairer to those breeding for it for its chances to be increased, not a lot so it doesn't lose its appeal/value but enough so it's not impossible to breed without items and hybrid parents.

Edit: 415 cubs offspring of non Tigon studs and we still have the single mandarin cub product of a Crunchy Worm.



This suggestion has 213 supports and 15 NO supports.



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Edited on 30/12/18 @ 12:22:04 by Berelf (#84593)

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2018-12-11 14:43:51
To clarify things, to me something being nerfed means that that particular something worked as intended and was later changed for any given reason. Kimanjano passing rates weren't working as intended, so it was fixed to have it function as it was wanted. So no, I don't negate that the code was changed, I just... clarify the intention behind it? As I said before, if you want Hybrid bases to be easier to breed, please make a suggestion and I'll slam the support button until it breaks, but this particular suggestion isn't for both, it's for Mandarin only.

Coding is an arcane art to me so I'm completely in the dark what is or isn't possible to do, or how feasible it is.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2018-12-12 08:02:57
Now that I understand better that you basically want Mandarin to ignore being in medium, I have to no support, sorry. I know it's a huge pain in the ass and I, myself, have a thread to overall fix medium...

But Mandarin simply bypassing the medium breed-rates entirely defeats the purpose of putting it there in the first place. I hate how medium works, I hate the double nerf that hybrid bases got hit with, but it's entirely unfair for one single base to bypass the group rules.



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2018-12-12 08:06:14
Again, the intention is not for Mandarin to "ignore" its Medium genetics, but to get a small boost so the base retains its rarity but becomes actually passable without the use of Crunchy Worm.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2018-12-12 08:10:14
If you didn't mean "for Mandarin in particular to have some sort of "Medium genetics bypass"", then you'd have to explain better to me what that means.

Boost it's pass rate so it's on par with the like... .5% Kiman currently is, okay. "Medium genetics bypass", absolutely not.



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2018-12-12 08:15:46
I wrote that when it was pretty late - I was about to go to bed, so I apologize for any misunderstanding it may have caused-, but with "Medium genetics bypass" I mean the boost thing, because the issue is that Hybrid base + Medium genetics = no natural Mandarin birth. The intention is, by no means, make Mandarin easier to breed than Kimanjano, or have it be on par with other special bases in any case, but to give the passing rate a little edge so it may actually pass sometime.

I've yet to take a peek at the Mandarin born lately, but for what I saw when it was introducing was that it's passing rate is so ridiculously low it might aswell be the Green base.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2018-12-12 08:18:49
Alright! Cool. Just, to me a bypass would mean Mandarin throwing all mediums (which would naturally increase its chances of passing), as opposed to just forcibly setting it's pass rate to .5% or whatever.

I'd be upset to see it throw all mediums cuz my lilacs and pearls still can't do that lol



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2018-12-12 08:21:53
Player Base: Pls nerf albino
Staff: ok *nerfs already stupid rare bases* we did it guiz

A lot of shit with bases is fucky. Cloudburst is a "common", anyone? There's colours in groups they have no business being in. The entire bases system needs to be looked at AFTER getting community feedback.

I don't breed for these bases. I considered it once upon a time prior to tigon release but seeing these numbers? No thanks. Please fix this, Lioden. It ain't fair to your dedicated userbase.



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2018-12-12 08:53:24
Cloudburst is common because Albino is common - it would be crazy hard to breed if it was a special with a common factor, since genetics rolls first (common, uncommon/rare, special - then the actual base rolls) (I believe).

But there is a bunch of nonsense with a whole bunch of different bases XP



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2018-12-12 09:10:37
Well it's more how absurdly rarely it seems to pass. My girl went through a Korat King and two Cloudburst Kings and if I recall correctly it only passed once. "Common" seems to be, in this sense, a bit of a misnomer.

However, on the current topic... has anyone taken a current poll on the number of mandarins? I'm not sure when the edit for this was posted, but the topic was made on 9 November.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2018-12-12 09:29:22
There is verifiably 1 that has been born of a non-tigon/non-crunchy breeding.

...the combo of hybrid+medium is so bad that it was just randomly born from an anjeer, not from any of the targeted mandarin/mandarin or even mandarin/golden breedings. You'd have to ask about the kids from mandarin moms, but my guess is they're all crunchy worms since they all seem to have mom's marks, and sometimes some customization.



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Edited on 12/12/18 @ 09:31:08 by Bezthiel{F5Black} (#81210)

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2018-12-12 09:30:12
Damn, RNGrinch is mean :O



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2018-12-12 09:42:27
So we're now up to 1 with Crunchy Worm and 1 without?

That's kind of disgusting. Goddamn.



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2019-01-05 15:58:17
Medium itself is broken... Support



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2019-02-15 08:02:13
Support!
I agree we don’t need Extra Hybrid x Medium struggle. Like I know it’s suppose to be rare, but without Crunchy Worm it’s no way it’s ever gonna be common.



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