i didn't even know i was useing her templet first of all.

i never said she couldn't do whatever she wanted im saying that she should have expressed what exactly lioden was doing within the templet post so that people could understand whare she was coming from, i don't think lioden is perfect and im entirely with the idea of change in the right direction, for everyone whos responded to me it sounds like you are all just sympathizing with Kattie on the grounds of 'oh she's been here for like ever-' i dont care nor should i care, my comment was me pointing out that leavening without actually saying what lioden did wrong only causes more confusion and disappointment rather then people being informed and pushing for change, she could have linked a separate post or simply called lioden out in the CSS post.

i think kattie is right lioden is not listening, but im allowed to disagree with how she handled her clear sway over this community because me not siding with her was immediately meet with multiple people trying to piss on my constructive criticism.

and on the topic of the CSS i could give less of a flying Fu*k what she dose with it, her deleting it or not isn't something i care about however i do notice other members of lioden being rather upset about from what i've seen more then having actual discussions about liodens poor managerial streak

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and for the person who said 'you haven't been on lioden that long' it shouldn't matter, i play the game just as much as everyone else and i've took the time and effort to look back into the beginning of the game up until this point, who are you to gate keep who's allowed to have an opinion?
it's not that hard to inform yourself regardless of how long you've played this game, Players new and old have the same merit and just because they've been sitting on some browser game for 10+ years doesn't make them entitled to anything but possibly being more frustrated with the game, you people want change then everyone needs to come together and make it happen and this 'veteran' player shit needs to be dropped because all it dose is make people sound like entitled half wits, creates a divide in the player base and builds unnecessary animosity

Veteran players are important they have wisdom and experiences newer players don't but holding it over peoples heads is just plain shitty.

And on a last note, adding 'Respectfully' doesn't mean what you said was respectful or insightful or any less ignorant.

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"and for the person who said 'you haven't been on lioden that long' it shouldn't matter, i play the game just as much as everyone else and i've took the time and effort to look back into the beginning of the game up until this point, who are you to gate keep who's allowed to have an opinion?" Since fucking when did i gatekeep opinions? i simply stated that you do NOT understand the frustration as you have NOT experienced it first-hand. I have been on the game since 2019 [this is a side account], and i have experienced a lot of things being cancelled and have witnessed it as well.

Also imo your post wasnt constructive criticism, but instead a jab of frustration because no matter what she probably did to try and voice her concerns, it never worked and therefore she left. She had every right to leave as humorously as she did, whether or not she 'handed the L' to lioden. The poll in december pushing spirited pose back AGAIN after YEARS and literally after it had only recently been anounced as being in creation, was a deal breaker for a lot of player and you very much still dont seem to grasp the understanding of how they keep doing this with a lot of game assets and old suggestions that have been planned, and neglected, for years now.

Also 'respectfully' never has anything nice following it, I am british. But i did mean it in a light-hearted and INSIGHTFUL way.

"it's not that hard to inform yourself regardless of how long you've played this game, Players new and old have the same merit and just because they've been sitting on some browser game for 10+ years doesn't make them entitled to anything but possibly being more frustrated with the game, you people want change then everyone needs to come together and make it happen and this 'veteran' player shit needs to be dropped because all it dose is make people sound like entitled half wits, creates a divide in the player base and builds unnecessary animosity"

yeah its not that fucking hard to inform yourself, so how about you do a little bit of that and sympathise with her frustrations instead of bashing them as if they personally attacked you? every single player on lioden is entitled to frustrations and doing what they want when leaving, but veterans reasonably understand the frustrations a lot more than newbies who, yes respectfully, take the time to inform themselves about the game and what has or hasnt been waiting to be implemented and shit like that.

Also, people literally have been coming together and its still not being accounted for by lioden, i mean have you seen the recent news poll? They mean well and all but it's not what the community has COME TOGETHER and shown their majority interest in. Do you honest to god think that people havent been protesting and complaining PUBLICLY about the spirited pose being neglected? lots of people have been for years, and they have to keep doing it since it was pushed back once again.

It was a breaking point for katie, one that made her leave as she realised that despite all the best efforts the routine of pushing things back after staring on them and procrastinating because A. community pressure and demand, and B. its taking too long and they want to surprise the community with something, and C. the community just has to decide on decisions that are big. Lioden isn;t going to change how they keep pushing things back, as they are actively doing it right now, and her choice to leave was entirely valid and you completely invalidated her right to do so, and that is exactly why people 'jumped' on you as you put it.

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I'm sorry, but you're way too mad about this. You were the one in the first place who came with an attitude. "giving the L to the people who supported your art is kinda F'ed up dude.
i found out about this in a lioden server im in and honestly this just seems like some bull". Maybe this is just how you write, but to me, and probably the ones who responded to your comment, your response came with a heap of attitude.

Obviously people are gonna explain to you why you shouldn't be mad, and the reasons for OP's leave. What did you expect?

No ones pissing on your constructive critism? No ones telling you that you can't have an opinion? No one said anything about veteran players being entitled? No ones holding it over your head? It makes 100% sense, that a player who's been here longer, would be more frustrated with delayed content, than a newer player. That is the only thing that was pointed out, and isn't that just common sense?

I think everyone gets your point, that an explanaition on this post would have been appreciated, but you could definitely have voiced your opinion in a better way. Though in my opinion the explanaition OP gave was completely sufficient. Even not knowing the details, it's really not any of my business why OP doesn't want to support the game, that's completely their own business.

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Me saying she should have taken the opportunity to make more people are of lindens' bullshit before she left is 'invalidating' her right to leave?

Yeah i know i've been watching, all you are doing is sob storying kitties frustrations that she isn't even hear to voice herself, why do i need to sit there and go 'oh well yeah i know they pushed back the spirited pose-' everyone knows that, You think im not upset about it? how they have stalled on male poses and other markings and yadda yadda not to mention cosmetics not working across the different primal, it's a shit show and your whole post is your just trying to get around what i responded with, you want something to fight about and your going out of your way to make it seem like me sharing how i felt about her handling taking an absence is somehow wrong. [i could see how my initial comment could be misconstrued but it wasn't ment as a jab]

And no what i said wasn't a jab of frustration however you seem to be, and not a little bit because the only reason why your bringing up kattie so much is because in all reality thats how you feel, and you re-sympathizing is how your getting out your frustrations, You can point your finger at me but im standing by what i said i really think kattie should have taken a last opportunity to point out the bullshit lioden is doing before leavening and honestly yeah i think she should have left, it's not mentally healthy to be upset about something you care about for 10 damn years.

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It's Lioden, by the way. Not Linden.

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and Lima im not really mad, Maby my verbiage comes across that way but it didn't upset me, i just curse alot and im not the best at typing and i apologize if i came across as rude or dickish but the inital comment i made was supposed to be laied back so i didn't really explain myself because i thought others might perceived it as rude or i'ed get taken out of context (im working on communicating with people).

and maby you think that
''No ones pissing on your constructive critism? No ones telling you that you can't have an opinion? No one said anything about veteran players being entitled? No ones holding it over your head? It makes 100% sense, that a player who's been here longer, would be more frustrated with delayed content, than a newer player. That is the only thing that was pointed out, and isn't that just common sense?''

but the previous comments and the way they worded things heavily implied the idea, and im not going to even get into Mnada's response but maby you perceived it that way but randomly pointing out the fact that i haven't played since the game was in betta or for half a decade of my life doesn't seem like an explanation to me, and i even said that yes of course its reasonable for older players to be more frustrated and i understand i have other games i've played in since they started but i stand on my point that it doesn't change the merit of somebody's opinion

[also please ignore some of my spelling errors im not the best at it due to my Dyslexia, my apologies

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Really? Mentioning their spelling? That's rich coming from someone with autism.

I've got the spicy brain too, but I don't obnoxiously point out something insignificant to the debate.

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Um, wow.
If it's insignifcant then it shouldn't matter, so. .

Also may I ask what you mean by the "spicy brain"? I don't mean to be rude about it, it's not my intention to be, I just don't get it.

Edit: If you're typing this, you can actually type properly? As someone who's tendon problems with their hands, I can still type like a normal person.

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i think they mean Autism or other forms of Neurodivergence, but Egg has a point on that last part

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Yoyoyo mateys chill it's not a big deal

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Alright, sorry yall! Just not feeling it today
Honestly, you can't really change the past, and I doubt Katie's going to change anything.

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Honestly, it's just cosmetics and art sucks.. like it's hard to meet art deadlines not to mention when life gets in the way and thats coming from an artist
[not an excuse tho they should have heired more artists sooner.]

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As in, Katie hiring artists? I'm sorry I'm not following

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Thank you for the explanation Blythe! I think, from what you told me, this is all just a misunderstanding really. I think people were more upset with how you'd written your comment, than the actual content of the comment itself. Which is why talking through text can be so bothersome sometimes, it's so hard to set the tone T-T

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