Posted by Allow more than 20 recolors of Custom Decors

Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-11 08:34:23
An unspoken rule of Custom Decors I have learned of recently, is that every art you use for a custom decor is limited to be used 20 times only. Any further use of that art will be rejected. "To avoid there being 100 recolors of the same thing", as reasoning.

I personally feel this unspoken rule is unreasonable and needs to be lifted.
My arguments:

1) Each custom decor, new lineart or old, takes the same server space and costs exactly the same 10 GB to create. There's no difference if it's new art or old in that matter.
2) It cannot be abused as it still costs 10 GB per each custom decor you create. Only if you spend GB you can have that many. 20 decors is 200 GB, if someone is willing to spend over 100$ on having many recolors of same lineart - I feel it is their right to do so.
3) That limit is heavily capping the users' availability to enjoy custom decors. It is up to the user if they want so many recolors of a single art, or different ones. (example: Uniformity. I want to have a pride made into a Hyena Clan, and I can do that with overlay custom decors, BUT not if they're limited to 20 per art. They will loose uniformity once they reach the cap; I would be forced to use different art beyond that limit.)
4) Custom decor art is already limited and heavily moderated by quality and content; it is hard and expensive to find artists willing to do arts of custom decor accepted quality, and this rule limits the way the user may use their hard and expensive commisioned art. Given the fact most custom decor artists only take real $ commissions to make it, I find it unfair to limit person's use of that hard-earned art to only 20 times.
5) And of course, "to avoid 100 of the same thing" is very subjective, it is NOT a bad thing to have many recolors of one thing just because one person doesnt like that. Others might, and others would. Someone likes realistic style, others more stylised, some prefer hard-edged lines, others like it smooth and blurred, some users scroll past human items on lions with dislike, others buy and enjoy them - everyone's different. People's pride stories and roleplays may depend on their characters represented in their lions through custom decors, and that limit on having a uniform art for them all is killing the fun for them.
SOLUTION: A solution for users that dont want to see many recolors, could be adding a new tab in Custom Decor Submission called "Recolor?" that users fill in Yes or No upon submitting the decor, and a tick box "Hide Recolors?" in custom decor search. If the tick box is checked, it will then hide all decors marked as Recolor from search. Sweet, simple, everyone's happy?
6) And last but not least... demand is very important to consider. Nobody will bother creating 80 recolors of something nobody wants - IF there's demand for that many recolors, that means this decor is that high in demand, it means people WANT there to be many recolors!

Overall:
This rule reminds me of a market censorship, when you're only allowed to buy certain amount of something to "not have too many of it".
Say you like a, well, a plush of a certain brand.
You buy 20 different plushies of that brand, collect and cherish them. They may look similar but it's your favorite brand, you enjoy them, so you want more.
But when you come back to the market, the seller refuses to sell you more.

"You already bought 20 plushies of that brand! You cant buy any more!"
"But I like that brand more than others," you say.
"It doesnt matter what you like. You had too many of that brand. Buy a barbie doll or a toy car instead."

That is the feeling Im getting from this rule, in a nutshell. Whether I want to spend my custom decor stone on a new art or on a recolor of an old art... should be a metter that I, the Custom Decor Creator, decide - as long as this art conforms to other rules and was accepted at least once. If I like my fav brand plushies more than other ones. After all I still pay the same money as I would for the other item; so why should be set strictly to be censored what I get, if the seller still gets their money?

POSSIBLE ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS:

Raise the Limit: 20 is a drastically small number; it may sound reasonable for things like glasses or hats, but what about more generic and popular themes, like a hyena, a wolf, a lion itself after all? Something a lot of people want recolors of? 20 is very little when the theme is highly in demand and many people want recolors of that art for themselves, of their characters/lions.

So either raise the limit to 50 or more;

OR make the limit account-based! 20 recolors per art PER ACCOUNT, so each user would be able to have 40 submitted decors across their two accounts, AND other people would be able to have some too should demand for that decor be that high the 40 already submitted recolors cannot satisfy it!

OR make the limit time-based. So say no more than X recolors of single lineart per month, but overall total is unlimited; so the users who have recolors can just wait and submit their recolors later should there be enough demand for many of them. It would space them between submitted decors but still allow more to be made eventually.



This suggestion has 203 supports and 43 NO supports.



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Edited on 30/01/19 @ 04:18:34 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Enitan [HM] (#18630)

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2019-01-11 13:46:44
I support. If the person wants to pay the 10 GB to make the decor, I don't see why it would be a problem? If someone isn't interested in that particular decor, they can easily use the search to find things they are, etc.

Maybe there can even be a search field added that allows you to search decors NOT made by a certain person? That way if you don't want to look through someone's recolors, you have the option while still letting people get the recolors they want?



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-11 13:49:38
Hmm, perhaps a "Recolor" field could be added to a custom decor approval?
And any decors that are recolors of another decor, will be marked as one - and it can be ticked not to show recolors if the user doesnt want to see them? Just like we can untick custom decors in Catalogue search.



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Edited on 11/01/19 @ 13:52:51 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-11 14:19:52
That's a good idea as well! I like that one.



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2019-01-11 14:29:33
Support, at least for now. I have no idea how much space custom decors take from the servers, but there can't be that many players wanting to have a recolor of the same thing for it to become an issue, can there?



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-11 14:31:45
Berenos, remember that each recolor is still 10 GB - 5$ income to the site to support those aformentioned servers! It's not like they're free to make and people can make them left and right; if regular different art custom decors arent a problem, then why would recolors be one? They're exactly the same .png files whether they are unique lineart or recolored lineart already used in another decor.



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Edited on 11/01/19 @ 14:32:32 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-11 14:34:14
Oh, my sleepy brain hadn't reached that yet. I should probably stop replying at things around this time



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TheMorgueDonator (#83658)

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2019-01-12 04:35:54
"capping the users' availability to enjoy custom decors" nah they don't want a shit ton of the same custom decor just with different colors taking up space on the servers that could be used for someone elses custom decor



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-12 04:38:21
But what about people who dont want a shit ton of different unrelated decors taking up server space that could be used for recolors of art they love and enjoy? It's a very subjective statement Queen Birb, it's your own personal preference for there to be only different decors. Some people like me like to have various recolors as well.

You once again forgot, recolors are NOT free to make, they are still same 10 GB like any other decor. X.X I fail to see what difference it makes if that decor is entirely new art or a recolor of an old art? If people want to have 50 recolors each representing their lionessess and lions, then WHY do they have to be limited for it to be on 3 different arts rather than on 1 uniform art?



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Edited on 12/01/19 @ 04:43:00 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

TheMorgueDonator (#83658)

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2019-01-12 04:48:32
I mean 20 is quite alot and would take space whether they cost money or not,also the whole custom decor list thing you'd have more then 1 page of JUST your recolored custom decor.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-12 04:51:53
So what? What difference does it make if it's a page of different non-sellable custom decors of people's OCs on their lions like various cloaks, sunglasses, flags, flowers, face expressions, and so forth, rather than a page of recolors of one art? For instance, I dont have a single leopon (and many people also dont) but there's several pages of decors JUST for leopons, but we're not getting angry at them? We just scroll past? So Ill ask again - what difference does it make what KIND of decor it is, recolor or unique? There are anyway a ton of non-sellable decors and even sellable decors you cant and wont buy, like those for specific muties, those of people's specific characters, and so forth.

20 actually isnt quite a lot if it's per ART not per user. For instance, the custom decor hyena that I have on my queen. There's been at least 4 people wanting their hyenas by the time I ordered my 3. Plus the artist's own plans for more hyena recolors. When it's a popular theme, 20 is drastically little for something so popular many people would want their own recolors of! I would have liked a few more hyenas but it's impossible now, because of how many people want a recolor and how little of recolors is allowed compared to the demand!



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Edited on 12/01/19 @ 04:55:38 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-12 06:21:09
ngl I was looking through all of the hyenaden custom decors so,, some people do like seeing pages with recolors I guess



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2019-01-12 08:18:13
*looks at pride flag decors* lemme make moar flags!

support.



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2019-01-12 09:27:56
Yes, I was so fuckin' hyped about those hyena overlays, but seriously? Limited to 20? If the person is paying their 10GB per custom stone, I see no reason they shouldn't be able to make all the hyenas and pride flags they want.



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Enitan [HM] (#18630)

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2019-01-12 12:13:43
Honestly, we already have 11 of the official game Big Cat Wear? So 20 seems a fairly small number.

At least if there's a limit, can it be upped to something a bit more reasonable for such a large game? 50 or 100 maybe?



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-12 12:15:57
Maybe a reasonable limit could be 20 per art PER ACCOUNT - so 40 between two accounts for 1 person - that way artists can sell recolors without fear and without leaving anyone out? It does sound fairer, and while still limiting, it is already better than 20 total.



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Edited on 12/01/19 @ 12:33:10 by Mad Hyena (#29080)







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