Posted by Allow more than 20 recolors of Custom Decors

Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-11 08:34:23
An unspoken rule of Custom Decors I have learned of recently, is that every art you use for a custom decor is limited to be used 20 times only. Any further use of that art will be rejected. "To avoid there being 100 recolors of the same thing", as reasoning.

I personally feel this unspoken rule is unreasonable and needs to be lifted.
My arguments:

1) Each custom decor, new lineart or old, takes the same server space and costs exactly the same 10 GB to create. There's no difference if it's new art or old in that matter.
2) It cannot be abused as it still costs 10 GB per each custom decor you create. Only if you spend GB you can have that many. 20 decors is 200 GB, if someone is willing to spend over 100$ on having many recolors of same lineart - I feel it is their right to do so.
3) That limit is heavily capping the users' availability to enjoy custom decors. It is up to the user if they want so many recolors of a single art, or different ones. (example: Uniformity. I want to have a pride made into a Hyena Clan, and I can do that with overlay custom decors, BUT not if they're limited to 20 per art. They will loose uniformity once they reach the cap; I would be forced to use different art beyond that limit.)
4) Custom decor art is already limited and heavily moderated by quality and content; it is hard and expensive to find artists willing to do arts of custom decor accepted quality, and this rule limits the way the user may use their hard and expensive commisioned art. Given the fact most custom decor artists only take real $ commissions to make it, I find it unfair to limit person's use of that hard-earned art to only 20 times.
5) And of course, "to avoid 100 of the same thing" is very subjective, it is NOT a bad thing to have many recolors of one thing just because one person doesnt like that. Others might, and others would. Someone likes realistic style, others more stylised, some prefer hard-edged lines, others like it smooth and blurred, some users scroll past human items on lions with dislike, others buy and enjoy them - everyone's different. People's pride stories and roleplays may depend on their characters represented in their lions through custom decors, and that limit on having a uniform art for them all is killing the fun for them.
SOLUTION: A solution for users that dont want to see many recolors, could be adding a new tab in Custom Decor Submission called "Recolor?" that users fill in Yes or No upon submitting the decor, and a tick box "Hide Recolors?" in custom decor search. If the tick box is checked, it will then hide all decors marked as Recolor from search. Sweet, simple, everyone's happy?
6) And last but not least... demand is very important to consider. Nobody will bother creating 80 recolors of something nobody wants - IF there's demand for that many recolors, that means this decor is that high in demand, it means people WANT there to be many recolors!

Overall:
This rule reminds me of a market censorship, when you're only allowed to buy certain amount of something to "not have too many of it".
Say you like a, well, a plush of a certain brand.
You buy 20 different plushies of that brand, collect and cherish them. They may look similar but it's your favorite brand, you enjoy them, so you want more.
But when you come back to the market, the seller refuses to sell you more.

"You already bought 20 plushies of that brand! You cant buy any more!"
"But I like that brand more than others," you say.
"It doesnt matter what you like. You had too many of that brand. Buy a barbie doll or a toy car instead."

That is the feeling Im getting from this rule, in a nutshell. Whether I want to spend my custom decor stone on a new art or on a recolor of an old art... should be a metter that I, the Custom Decor Creator, decide - as long as this art conforms to other rules and was accepted at least once. If I like my fav brand plushies more than other ones. After all I still pay the same money as I would for the other item; so why should be set strictly to be censored what I get, if the seller still gets their money?

POSSIBLE ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS:

Raise the Limit: 20 is a drastically small number; it may sound reasonable for things like glasses or hats, but what about more generic and popular themes, like a hyena, a wolf, a lion itself after all? Something a lot of people want recolors of? 20 is very little when the theme is highly in demand and many people want recolors of that art for themselves, of their characters/lions.

So either raise the limit to 50 or more;

OR make the limit account-based! 20 recolors per art PER ACCOUNT, so each user would be able to have 40 submitted decors across their two accounts, AND other people would be able to have some too should demand for that decor be that high the 40 already submitted recolors cannot satisfy it!

OR make the limit time-based. So say no more than X recolors of single lineart per month, but overall total is unlimited; so the users who have recolors can just wait and submit their recolors later should there be enough demand for many of them. It would space them between submitted decors but still allow more to be made eventually.



This suggestion has 203 supports and 43 NO supports.



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Edited on 30/01/19 @ 04:18:34 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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Posted on
2019-01-12 14:17:59
Support
I was unaware of this and will take it into mind when making recolors and CD from now on.



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Shad (#16848)

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Posted on
2019-01-12 14:24:13
I support only if something would be implemented for recolors. In example, sending one version of the decor, then being able to upload as many recolors as you wish so it doesn't clog up the Custom Decor list.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-12 14:30:37
I think a tick box "Hide Recolors" will do perfectly fine - like we have a "Remove Custom Decors" in general Item Catalogue.
There could be a tab "Recolor?" in custom decor submission, and if it's chosen "Yes", then the decor will fall into recolors and can be hidden when unwanted, or left visible when wanted. Simple and sweet, no?



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HIATUS (#71340)

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2019-01-12 14:31:57
but then which colour is the OG
jk sounds like a good idea tbh



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Katze (#3)

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2019-01-12 16:07:26

We'd like to let you know that we're thinking about a solution, but these may only come during big updates - we kindly request that you stay patient! ❤️




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Enitan [HM] (#18630)

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2019-01-12 16:15:42
Thank you, Katze! It's always nice to know the staff is willing to listen to the players. It is appreciated!



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EntityofSilo | G4 (#107570)

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2019-01-12 16:31:57
Just a quick suggestion about a way to find which decors are recolors and which aren't-- hopefully I can explain this in a way that makes sense...

So basically just Custom Decor 'groups'. The group itself has the general name of the decor and when you click on it it takes you to a little mini list of all recolors of the decor nested within it. If you scroll through the list of CDs you wouldn't get spammed with recolors, you would just see a group containing CDs of one specific type, with an image showing the type of decor in it. (There would have to be a way to differentiate between groups of CDs and single CDs, plus an option to exclude all CD groups and the CDs within them from your search)

^^I hope this isn't complete gibberish Dx I'm probably going to make a mockup of this to better explain what I mean but yea :)

Support, by the way! (Those hyenas are amazing tho 0w0)



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2019-01-13 05:34:11
Thank you for the reply, Katze!

Ill keep this topic up for a while to see how many more people support removing of this limit, so you can consider their opinion during figuring out a solution!



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🌗Pidge🌓 (#49134)

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2019-01-13 08:09:24




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Edited on 13/01/19 @ 08:10:32 by 🐉Tatsu🐉 (#49134)

Ulfruna (#19599)

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Posted on
2019-01-24 17:07:27
Support. My "Jarl's Regalia" Decor already has a few recolors, and I had no idea there was this unspoken limit. =O



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Ninque [HIATUS-ish] (#106221)

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2019-03-02 01:50:18
Alternative color options added to said decor would be nice, but it's kinda unfair when some people simply recolor their existing decor and put it in-game as brand new one, while still getting profits.



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😸 Chonk 😸 (#54568)

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2019-03-02 01:58:14
I think a bunch of recolors are annoying to scroll by in item lists, thats my only complaint. This goes more for official site decors than custom atm. All those big cat head/bodywear decors *shudder*



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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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2019-03-02 09:20:55
"it's kinda unfair when some people simply recolor their existing decor and put it in-game as brand new one, while still getting profits."

A lot of those recolors are requests! For instance, quite a few people requested recolors of Starbound for females, so it comes in red and blue. Unfortunately, no on requested recolors of Starbound for males so it only comes in blue. Cozy Ensemble has had requests for reds, blues, purples, ect-

If people request and buy them, it's also unfair to hold that against the artist. They are fulfilling a demand in the market.



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Edited on 02/03/19 @ 09:21:17 by Bezthiel (#81210)

Ama (#183150)

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2020-03-09 05:17:35
There's a limit? Nani? Support ._. if people are willing to pay, I don't see an issue. How many wings, feather and other such decors do we already have in game? Just gives more money to the site.



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