You can't pick and choose the best of both worlds. You want to pass the mutation but for it to look different, too bad. Pick which one works better and move on.

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Lmao what's wrong with being allowed to make a fucking choice about how your lion looks?

Why tf does that other thread I linked have over 100 fucking supports, but everyone's shitting on mine despite the fact it's the same fucking thing lmao

https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429296596

just look at this thread jfc there's a bunch of good points in it.

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...if there's already a thread suggesting this and you knew there was one, this thread is redundant.

I also think the downvotes are coming from the people who don't appreciate being sworn at :/

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Its not the same thing at all. Your suggestion is to allow the mutation to be posed, and theirs is to hide the mutation. Worded very differently, and proposes the item to act like a Tiger's Eye rather than allowing poses to be used. I don't understand how you see that the two topics are exactly the same? Yours wants to be able to pose the mutations whereas that suggestion is just a hide mutation item. There was also a comment posted on there stating that Xylax had already rejected a similar suggestion: https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429296596&page=1#304440784588

That suggestion is also from early 2018, over a year ago now. People think differently now than they did then, and people's opinions can change over the course of over a year.

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this is literally the first time i've ""sworn at"" anyone, and its bc I'm reaaaally fuckin tired of the "I don't want it so I don't think you should be allowed to have it even though it literally wouldn't even affect me in the slightest" rhetoric.

Also, I made this thread before I even knew about the other thread. But the minute I posted it, I get swarmed with downvotes and "no support bc blah blah blah" comments, when the other thread is flooded with supports despite literally being the same exact damn thing lmao

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Also, sure, that may be "hide mutation" instead of "posing mutations", but it's still hiding a mutation's art, which is what people are complaining about here. If there was an item to hide mutations, that would open up the possibility of using poses regardless- so the two suggestions are extremely similar.

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There's has that many because they are polite and don't swear like a sailor! Also, they are not the same there is trying to wipe away the mutation and no poses!

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Meh. Feel free to keep venting. I've given you my opinion and it's not going to change, so I'll take my leave of this thread. Good luck on your suggestion, although it does appear that not everyone agrees with it.

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Everyone here: the point of a mutation is the mutation art! If you don't want the mutation art, just remove the mutation!

Everyone there: Hell yeah let us remove a mutation's art, let people have options!!

Point proven.

Also, if you think my swearing in one single comment just now has any effect on the responses of this entire thread... lmao

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That user is also not suggesting that mutations be poseable. Do you understand the scope of what you are suggesting? Like I've stated before, it would require a lot of coding to be able to not show the mutation and pose it. While some mutations are getting poses, mutations like the primals, tigons, leopons and others that have a completely different lineart will likely never get a pose at all. The lineart for those mutations is made to be different, and as I've stated before, if you don't like something, there is nothing that says you have to have it. What the user on the other suggestion thread is suggesting is an item like tiger's eye that can be temporarily hidden is someone wants to see the true lion. Your suggestion doesn't say anything about an item being like theirs, just simply stating that you want to be able to use poses on mutations. You don't go in depth or even scratch the surface on how that would work.

Also in my opinion, it appears like you knock down anyone else's opinion if it doesn't match your own. That's just how it seems to me, not sure if you mean it that way as intent cannot be taken over text on a screen.

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Nah, I don't mean to knock down anyone's opinion just bc it doesn't agree with mine, however I strongly disagree with people saying a suggestion shouldn't happen simply because THEY wouldn't use it/don't want it/etc despite the fact it literally would not affect them in any way if it were to be implemented. I'm always on the side of giving people freedom to do things they want with their lions or w/e, whether that be wanting a base others may think is "ugly", or removing mutation art from their lion to then use a pose on it or whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, just because you personally wouldn't want to use something is not a valid reason to tell other people they shouldn't be allowed to either.

While you may think the point of a mutation is the mutation art, and thus would not use a mutation-hiding item or a pose on them yourself, that doesn't mean other people shouldn't be ALLOWED to change their mutated lion's appearance if they want to. Maybe they'll want to sell it later, maybe it's a mutation that passes on its mutation through genetics and they want to keep that. Like. There is NOTHING wrong with giving people freedom.

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Not supporting because of your attitude and because I think this wouldn't work in the slightest.

You shouldn't have created a thread LITERALLY asking for people's opinions on whether they support or not, when your intention was to bash them when they disagree :/

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Why is everyone ignoring the fact that OP said this would be /OPTIONAL/?? Meaning if you have a mutated lion and DON'T WANT THEM TO BE POSED, /YOU DON'T HAVE TO POSE THEM/.

If poses are made available to ALL mutations and you have a Leopon or a Tigon, don't pose it if you don't want to. No one will force you to. But people who DO want to pose it will be able to. Jeez, people who don't want something always seem like they want prevent people who do want something from getting it. If I have a Leopon and want to give her a Good or Kind pose, why can't I have the option to? The LINEART will still look different from regular lionesses in that pose. You'll still be able to tell it's a Leopon. It's not that hard to understand.

Maybe there could be an Oasis item to allow muties to be posed, which brings in money for the site. Who knows.

For people saying, "Oh wah it's to much coding, blah blah," unless you yourself are a coder for this site, don't use that as a reason for you to not support a topic. You don't know the ins and outs of coding for Lioden, you don't know what is involved in it and what it entails. I don't understand why people ALWAYS want to throw that out as a reason to not support something. You're not the one doing the coding. So what does it matter to you?

Also, for people saying, "Just remove the mutation!" that's... not how it works. Some people want to have the mutation, so they can have a chance to pass it onto cubs. But they want that ability AND the ability to give their mutants a pose. Again, not that hard of a concept to grasp. -_-

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