PFFT SECOND PANEL *covered in the rain she is*

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Hmm I understand celestial/etc markings are pretty old at this point...but for breeders who worked hard to get their quad celestial/full celestial/etc designs and then have newbies come along with the apps and BAM your hard work meant nothing. ....just a thought. Celestial is just a side project for me, but if this happened to one of my main breeding project marks ive worked years on.......oof.

Yeah, I'm gonna say a definite *no*. Please don't start converting breed only traits to apps. It would undermine every ounce of joy and accomplishment that we get from breeding breed-only project designs. Which is 75% the point of this game.

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honestly i'd prefer all new kinds skyward sidereal ect markings as an app like margay or marozi it would be more fair

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That comic tho

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Aww that's an adorable comic

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>turning sidereal, skyward, and celestial marks into apps

Why.

No. Apps have already killed the uniqueness of kings because no one even tries to get breed only marks anymore.

Like Cerrates said, don't start doing this. It's a horrible idea.

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I said yes to the Apps, but I can see where people are coming from with rarity concerns - perhaps the price of the Apps could be something like 20000 Shards? Not really something feasible to earn unless you dedicate a lot of time into completing the quests and such for likely multiple years running without buying any of the other things.

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Please don't make July markings into applicator markings!!
Support this!
It would ruin the rarity of those marks, and the marks would be less desirable since you would just slap an app on the lion! It would be a terrible waste of effort for those who breed specially for full Celestial/Skyward/Sidereal kings! People have spent thousands of GB and years to breed a full Celestial/Skyward/Sidereal king, and now you make these marks into applicators! These markings would lose value and it would be devastating!(I myself have a 3x Celestial markings king and I love how it's a challenge to breed Breed-Only marks!)The thousands of GB were probably bought with their RL money that they earned with hard work! It would be so unfair to them if these marks were made into applicators!

I'm shocked at how the poll results are, I'm guessing people just want to have it the easy way instead of a fun challenge! D:<

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Please do NOT turn raffle-only breed-only marks into applicators because of a biased poll!!
The way the wording is set up, it’s easy for someone to skim over the question and “Oo, yes!! New markings!” And vote Yes without even fully understanding or thinking through what is being suggested.
Staff are asking for our support on an idea they’ve already decided they want, and hidden an option that gives us new marks without devaluing old ones in the 2nd answer instead of asking us an unbiased question.
At the very least, please give us a re-count or reset of the poll so people who didn’t read thoroughly have a chance to accurately cast their vote.



I understand wanting to make the marks more available “on any lion you want” year-round, or to players who started after July was over (other than only on bred cubs), but if this is done then literally nothing is sacred!
Breed-only traits add value Because they are hard to obtain!
We already have Opal saltlicks for eyes, Ochre saltlicks for manes, Gnaws for passing any marking you want as long as you already have a lion(ess) with the mark, and countless breeding items to try and sway RNG in your favor.
Even with this, breeding projects that incorporate valued breed-only traits (such as raffle marks) can still take a while due to getting the right combo on the right lion.
You can “fix” a lion with applicators so long as they have the right breed-only traits, and even though it’s expensive and someone’s own decision what they do with their money - It’s ultimately a choice of playing style to apply what you couldn’t or don’t have to breed on. Although it could be argued making some traits applicator based is a naturally progression, I would hate to see more raffle marks follow the same path and am adamantly against this for that reason. Given that Sunset marks are already applicators, i’m surprised Sunrise marks wouldn’t be applicator based instead of dethroning and devaluing old raffle marks! Speaking as someone with an applicator-made Studess with breed-only base and eyes, even I do not think we should go even further towards devaluing the only parts of your lion(ess) that you can make unique (or at least hard to replicate).
Given mass breeding and breed-only bases losing their value quickly, unless that base is also paired with the right breed-only traits, How are we supposed to fund making our dream lion designs a reality if nothing we breed for has value any more?
What’s even the point of using gnaws to breed heirs if you may some day be able to apply those marks?
Thank you for considering adding Sunrise marks to the game, but pleeeeease leave the old July raffle marks where they are (on raffle lionesses and their descendants only) and instead introduce the new marks in a different way.
Either add more markings to the raffle pool (have one lioness be a combo of the old July base/good eyes and marks, and one lioness pool be the new traits, for example) or introduce the new markings as applicators.
Please don’t change an important classification of old pre-existing markings!

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Please don't dumb the game down even more. You've done that with an item that takes rarity of breed-only eyes such as Dawn and Draconid away (which was a direct hit at me, since I was in the middle of a project that included these hard to get eyes) and the less dedicated part of the community completly destroyed me and my opinion because ThE gAme Is AlrEaDY hArD eNoUGh, sToP CoMplAiNinG. What's next, rolled lions will come with raffle-only bases and a set of markings? Or just an item that gives the base of choosen parent to the whole litter? Then everyone will look literally the same, woohoo!
I don't understand what's wrong with everyone who blindly voted yes - what's the point of doing projects anymore if you're going to get everything for free?

We all love this game so much and know that the staff listens. Please, stop punishing people who work hard on getting unique lions.

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Lioden team,

Very rarely do I feel so strongly about a proposal around here as I do about the current poll. The great majority of the time I agree with the decisions on this site. That's why I'm still here, and why I still spend money here, because I value your product and it brings fun into my life.

This is my side king, Nyar: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=116709 . He was my dream ever since I started playing two years ago. It took me over a year to make him a reality, and I spent time and effort and a hefty amount of GB on him to make my dream happen. I relied on RNG, and worked hard to get him how I wanted him.

And now, I'm quite confused. The breed-only July marks have always been one of the highlights of July. They are a big part of why I and many others find joy in playing this game. There is surprise and frustration in trying again and again to get full quads or double quads, like Nyar is. These marks are valued for certain rare slots as well. But if you make them applicators...all of this goes away.

Yes, they have been around for a while, true, but people still hunt for the rare marks and still breed for them. Quads still sell, because it is damn hard to make a quad. I have almost 200 territory on Nyar's account because you need to mass-breed to achieve this. I want to add mott to him, and I look forward to the challenge it will be now to do that. If these become applicators, I'm no longer challenged, why should anyone bother to breed for something they can just stick on a lion that already has a mottled rosette?

I feel, as another user said, heartbroken that this was even suggested. And scrolling through I see many, many fellow players voicing the same opinion I'm espousing. Players that this affects, players that have spent time and effort and cash (in some cases), to succeed at this, These are breed-only marks. You promised them to us as special raffle marks. We devoted part of our online lives into keeping rare slots and marks alive. If you make these applicators then what is the point of having any raffle marks at all? And in turn why can't all breed-only marks be their own special applicators? This is a can of worms, one which opened is not easily answered for.

I feel devalued, and I'm saddened this was suggested. I said no to this, because I feel like it would hurt the game economy and also others' hard work, I didn't just say no for myself. I hope, despite the votes, that you give this some thought for the Cele/Side/Sky breeders out there. This game is about breeding mechanics, and their challenges. Please don't take that away.

Edit: honestly, I like the suggestion to make applicators that feature the cele/sky/side marks in other patterns, like celestial crackle, or sidereal margay, ect. Or maybe discontinue the current cele/side/sky marks, or rotate years?

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Yes, I'd love some July markings applicators! I love those markings - not just as money-making methods, but the markings themselves, because they're beautiful. So I see nothing good in them being rare.

(Of course, anyone who prefers to breed them can still just keep not using applicators, so everyone wins!)

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oh geeze.. please don’t make the event marks into applicators. people have worked Really Really Hard on breeding their perfect lions.. breed only markings are really the most desirable because they are hard to get. i would be very very sad for all the people who have spent years with their projects for it to become meaningless. if the 3 old bases get marking applicators they should absolutely be different markings than the current raffle ones. no question.

really questioning my use of time trying to breed celestial speckles where & how i want it..

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You don’t need applicators for them, plenty of good quality studs out there like Valiance. I have a lioness on my main with quad Celestial marks, all it took was a stud request when I had saved some GB. How easy do you need things to be?

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@Tuwarrektikut [Tuw]: I don't want to sound rude, but if you want a beautiful lion, then work on it. Lioden is a breeding sim, not dress-up game. People work for months and years to achieve rare markings and your only reasoning is "they are pretty". There are hundreds of applicator marks that give similar outcome as the July ones. Sigh.

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