great work on this! as a newbie this helped a ton

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Thank you! Don't take it as gospel, though - if you have any questions about genetics, you should definitely refer to the Lioden Wiki Genetics page, as that has the actual information.

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Have you considered a blue group? I feel like they look a bit odd in the black group as well, and there’s plenty of bases that could go there! Not to mention, it would give labradorite a somewhat reasonable home.

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After giving it a look-over, I like it! Groups based on colors and shades should have bases that fit those colors and shades.
May I suggest some edits + missed bases?
Sterling - Move to BLC [Black-Light-Countershaded].
Parhelion - Either keep it where it is, or move it to BMC.
Opal - Possibly bring it back to BLC. It's the only one of the three [Opal/Hema/Moon] that I can easily tell is countershaded.
Saffron - GLC
Xanthic - GMC
Green - GDS
Dark Golden x3 - Personally, I see the difference between the three. Keep Dark Golden and Zarafshan in GDS, while Zarbanu goes to GMS.
Sulphur - GLC
Rust - RMS or RLS
Brass - RMC
Wine - RDC
I never realized how similar Liver and Dark Brown were...

tbh I'd also like to revamp the rarities but thats for another day lol

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@Bailysis

God I feel you on the rarity revamp, but I don't even want to begin thinking about that one lmao

I'll look into these other ones! I know I agree with you on Sterling, and probably with Parhelion (again, BMCS is the "what even are you" grouping). I'm not sure if I still count Opal as CS, but I'll give it another big eye. Maybe with different poses, maybe it's more evident there.

With the Dark Golden x3, I dunno. I can see the differences, but the red positioning is identical and idk, it just bothers me immensely how similar they are. Maybe if the coat patterning was slightly different between them I'd be fine.

I'll look into these other ones in a moment. Thank you! :D

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Oh I do agree, the patterns could be different. They literally took one base, I'm assuming Zarafshan or Dark Golden, and lightened up the colors into a new shade group.

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@Streak

As of right now, no - and only because one does not exist on Lioden. I stuck strictly with what does exist on Lioden at the current time, meaning that not only did I have to stick with black / cream / gold / red, but I also didn't bother with Xylax's Iridescent Suggestion because it's not a feature presently in game.

Blue is at least a bit more workable into the current system, even if colors like Pulsar and Labradorite are a little wild for it. But Green bases have a harder time - Murk barely fits in BMCS as it is, and Green is only in its current position because it's not something that can be bred for.

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Did some edits based on input from Bailysis! Thank you very much.

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I think they should remove "medium" all together. So many of the bases could go either solid or countershaded, whats the point? That and the fact that so many categories are lacking bases to fill the category.

Yes! Too many browns in the Black! But brown bases are sooo common in the game already, it really should be in its own color group.

White belongs with cream in my opinion.

Blues and Purples should have their OWN category all together!

Labradorite and Locust.... What can you do haha

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@Desolace

I think the biggest problem with Medium isn't "colors could go either dark or light", it's "breeding mediums is a pain in the ass because Nothing Passes". Which we actually did a test on when Leonid dropped, between a Leonid and a Sidereal, two special BMCS bases, the chance of passing either was something like 1%. It was absolutely ridiculous - we got more out of testing Leonid and Cocoa.

The problem with brown as a color is that, like all other colors, you have warm brown and cold brown. Cold brown is where you start running into blacks - cocoa is the only "brown" I left in that black category because of its incredible desaturation. It'd be nice if they did have their own complete category - "Brown Solid, Brown CS" has such a nice sound to it, but brown light is just a fancy word for cream.

Blue and Purple would probably be in that Iridescent group as linked above, since they are... quite colorful. The darker blues and purples can belong in black as they are presently, but Pulsar? Interstellar? God no. Even Leonid is pushing it. Whites, however, I like being in with the blacks - it creates a complete grayscale. Clear White / Albino all the way to Ebony / Jet / Obsidian is a very nice, defined row of grays.

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Kyra, you bring up a good point in brown light, my early morning brain kinda thought "Why is there a black light when White should be in cream?" And Cocoa feels cream to me.

Why have a light category for black anyhow?

But I do see your point to some extent.

On the other hand, they have spread browns out through most of the categories because, (and I theorise), "Hey, no one likes the browns, lets splatter them all over the rainbow and say its a natural anomaly." If they had done this with golden, I think there would be a riot. I breed chickens, Australorps to be precise....Black Australorp and Blue....if a brown one popped out, Id be super mad because it means the line isnt pure. This new genetics model started out "ok" but its gotten messy. Back when Alma pushed for it, it made sense, but now its way out of whack.

Its gotten to the point that brown bases are too common a base for every color tree except golden. Chestnut does not belong in any way shape or form in Black. But its there. Same with Dikela, Vandal and "Black". Cairngorm...wth? Thats obviously a cream base. Then you have dark brown and liver lurking in black medium too. All these should be under their own color group. There are enough browns to support its own group. Even if they didnt want to make a browns group, they could throw it into cream, browns dont belong in black. As well, whites dont belong in black either.

Dusty, Dove Gray, Rosy Brown....those look cream. I mean look at the table. Its a wreck as far as color charts. If I used the lion bases and a painting wheel, Id never be able to sell a painting, it would be an eyesore. How did Moonstone end up in medium while Soul ended up in light? Soul looks brown countershaded, not Black countershaded.

http://liodenwiki.wikidot.com/genetics#toc5

I feel Albino and Clear White belong in a totally different spot in my mind. It feels like it should be in cream. There are some very light colored creams, so I can see a white base popping up more often in cream. Albinos pass rates have been a mess and there has been a community outcry to find a spot for Albino and leave it there. I think grays and even light grays work in the black category, but whites dont fit, especially since the Black Light of all categories all look cream. Glass, Ashen, Opal, Moonstone are all pale gray enough to fit into the "Light Black" section, there is a gray scale to the coat, but Albino and Clear White dont have ANY color to them. Black has color and is the furthest spectrum from these two bases. So Albino and Clear White feels they should hang out with their lighter cousins in cream.


Orchid looks cream but its in Reds, but then Cherry Blossom is in cream and looks very close to Orchid....

Then you have solaris and teardrop hanging out in cream, when solaris looks like a red base and teardrop looks like a gold base. Cairngorm looks like a cream base but is lurking in Black. Its a scattered mess. I think whats happening is the team are trying to keep all areas filled evenly, so a new base, they try to wedge it in where it sort of fits, but fills out the group so its not lacking.

As a Nadir breeder, interstellar is a sparkling version of Nadir. If they drop interstellar into the iridescent group, then nadir should follow. Blues and Purples should stick in a separate group from reds and blacks I think. Put them in iridescent or give them their own group.

And Brass needs to be a golden base, I stopped breeding reds because of brass and copper.

I do like your general idea, and it feels more natural:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LcKnwslgXGEKW8aNH5OTtVx_FoDuonnDVmTaz3u-EL4/edit#gid=0

However, Id see the browns put in their own category, Blues and purples in iridescent, Albino and Clear White in Cream.

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So can I just say that Black Australorps are DARLING. I had to look them up, don't get me wrong - but I know when to appreciate a high quality bird. Hug all your chickens for me.

Staff has stated before that they don't apply bases based on appearance, they place based on necessity. It's not good when we need things in, say, Gold Dark Solid or Gold Light Countershaded, but we get absolutely bupkis because everything instead goes into the blacks and the reds. I'm a grayscale breeder - I don't mind some colors, but having browns suddenly pop up in my litters throws me for a huge loop. Especially since I work with Hematite, which is BMCS, which is just abhorrent to work with.

I will say, in terms of naming, "black" is their way of saying "absence of color", even though a true absence of color is white. In-game White actually has the barest tinge of creaminess, Albino has the pinkness. Clear White's the only "pure" cold white, like a good titanium white paint. But the don't adhere to that at all, with the additions of Murk, Leonid, literally every single brown, and the shoving of blues. Thus, "black" has instead become "cold colors" instead of "the absence of colors". It's annoying, I agree.

I still like their being whites / light silvers in my grayscales, but I definitely see your point and agree with the rest of your notions. If Iridescent ever becomes a thing, it's going to be a wild colorbomb ride I'mma tell ya what lmao. Purples, blues, greens, it'll be nuts.

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Fix for labordite, cream , as u has that tan part mixed in there

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@Sarah

You mean put Labradorite in Cream? Eh... As stated before, I don't even know what to do with Labradorite - I put it in with the blacks because of how strong the blue is on it. In a perfect world, it would either look better as a base (sorry LD it's an ass-ugly base) and/or there would be Iridescent to plap it into.

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Edits made, including a new sheet!

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