Posted by NO Wolvden Hunting

🛸 Vethale (G2
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2020-11-23 14:54:33
In october's news update they said they wanted to update the hunting system here on lioden and make it more like wolvden's. Now, the hunting feature definitely could use an update but making it like wolvden would be a downgrade. My suggestion is basically to just leave it as is and here's why:

- It's going to make the game even more tedious and add annoying tasks for no reasons. (LD is already high maintenance game that doesn't encourage rolling over unless you have time. No need to complicate it more tbh)

- Only females can hunt and lions have shorter life spans (in the game), making the training/leveling process over and over an absolute chore

- It hurts smaller prides with less lionesses, since they have to wait longer for energy restoration if they don't have a lot of hunters

- It hurts larger prides since lionesses won't catch enough prey

- It's a lot more tedious than the current system where you just assign some lionesses and click on the spaces you want to hunt in

- It's going to reduce the amount of successful hunts and carcasses caught (1 per hunt) and encourage players to only go for critter trails. An absolute disaster for anyone with more than 10 lions.

- Lioden's feeding system (carcasses having having different amounts of uses that give different hunger) is already complicated enough. Especially with feed all being a premium feature. Don't make it more difficult

- Starting a single hunt (having to select lions if you don't have enough), the trail and so on just takes too much time. Leave it simple as it already is

- It's just not fun. Wolvden may be a more challenging game but lioden doesn't need further challenges.

- Please. No.

IMPORTANT UPDATE: Xylax clarified that they will only make a visual update and not add party synergy!! Yes!!



This suggestion has 188 supports and 11 NO supports.



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Edited on 24/11/20 @ 13:55:15 by Vethale (#147289)

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2020-11-23 15:10:05
I wish I could hit the support button multiple times, I have given up on Wolvden due to how time consuming it is I would hate for it to become like that.



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Dita✧ Scoundrel
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2020-11-23 15:18:50
I agree 100% I honestly am not a fan of a lot of things on wolvden compared to lioden. If hunting is going to be more like wolvden I am going to be hurting and upset because I already struggle so much on wolvden. I don't need to struggle on here too where I enjoy myself. I already half the time want to just quite wolvden because it just isn't as much fun.



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Gallifreyaan (#73034)

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2020-11-23 15:25:33
I completely agree. I like Wolvden's hunting system alright, but it needs to stay there. I don't want Lioden to go the same route for all the reasons you said; I already have to do a bunch of things daily, and having to figure out each lioness's placement in a hunting party and leveling them to get them to even be able to catch anything would make it so much harder. I have 70+ lionesses on my two accounts, and having to do that with all of them compared to my two 4-wolf and 2-wolf hunting parties would be mentally exhausting. Plus, energy regenerates so much slower on here, which would mean fewer hunts and fewer chances to level my much larger pride. That would make hunting hard for any player, new or old.



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Alice Sakura (#169539)

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2020-11-23 16:05:51
I honestly don't like wolvden all together, and I really hope LD won't turn out to be identical like it.



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Ally (#197029)

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2020-11-23 16:10:27
I agree with this. Lioden is its own site, and I really appreciate its simplified interface. I dont think it needs changing to be more like Wolvden.



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error 404 (#69266)

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2020-11-23 16:16:32
totally agree. i'll pray this feature won't be changed. hunting on wolvden is really annoying and time consuming.



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Veni (#121432)

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2020-11-23 16:24:24
I agree 100% I'm alright with a different hunting concept, but with the low rate of success, reliance on Synergy (affected by conflicting personalities) and personal hunting experience per individual, limited non-main energy, and enforcement of hunting parties that Wolvden has, I can only see its mechanics being disastrous on Lioden. Due to the drastic differences, Wolvden's hunting simply doesn't have a place on Lioden after so many people have come to rely on the products of the current system.

With such a thing introduced, I can see specifically newbies, mass breeders, and casual players significantly struggling to maintain their prides where they would have been fine on the mechanics we have (or similar ones). Challenge makes a game fun, so long as it's appropriately balanced. Too much struggle to feed their lions, and I can see a lot of established players leaving, and a much greater rate of newbies failing to really dive in and enjoy the game enough to stay.



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Edited on 23/11/20 @ 16:25:37 by Veni (#121432)

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2020-11-23 16:29:57
i agree 100% as well. i feel like wolvden is for people who want the challenge of a harder simulator game, but i do not want lioden to follow its tracks. i literally had to abandon wolvden due to it being too difficult for me; i feel like as they amp up the harshness on this simulator too, they'll see a lot more players complaining and leaving. there has been plenty of people that i personally know who do not like wolvden because of how difficult it is; there are people there because its difficult, and here because its easier to maintain.

i feel like if this simulator is made out to be more similar to wolvden, a lot more players will be leaving the site. i understand the need for updating codes, but why should we update the gameplay (i.e hunting, breeding, broodmothering, etc.)? personally i just feel like we shouldn't make this game anything like wolvden.

thank you :)



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Glitchdragon.exe💚 (#208120)

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2020-11-23 17:02:52
I can agree. I quickly lost interest in Wolvden compared to Lioden. While I'm more than happy to check in on Lioden frequently to collect my hunting rewards or explore, I just didn't have the same interest for it in Wolvden. I simply found it to be too many things to check up on throughout the day. The separate bar energy needs further hampered this, and I just quickly lost interest in checking in. I don't want to have to worry about putting together the perfect hunting party only to get critters or nothing in return. I'd rather not have to worry about picking and choosing member of my pride purely because their personalities won't mesh. I just want to collect pretty lions.



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2020-11-23 17:55:44
I agree too T^T I love Lioden the way it is, and while I like Wolvden too (albeit less), they should stay separate in their appearance and functions. But that's a whole different subject. In specific regards to this, I really hope they don't change the hunting system to be like Wolvden's either.

For all the reasons listed and also: If the hunting system changes and becomes harder and more time-consuming than it needs to be, it will lead to less hunts. Less hunts means less food (of those that are even successful to begin with), which will cause the value of food to skyrocket. Those that don't have time to hunt or have large prides won't even be able to buy any at a decent price because of how inflated the prices will be :c This will be frustrating to players, as previously mentioned by others, with big prides especially, and could cause a lot of players to stop playing because most of their lions will be running away.

In regards to what a lot of you are saying outside of the hunting concept, I agree as well :c It's really difficult, and the mechanics are so complex and numerous I've just stopped playing because I don't have time to try and focus and remember the millions of things I need to do on there. On Lioden, there are a lot of features, but many of them are optional for gameplay. You can do them, but it won't hinder you or stop you from playing if you don't. Wolvden has a lot of required mechanics and it can be overwhelming to a lot of people too.



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2020-11-23 19:24:04
Its one thing if they just wanted the roles found in hunting parties on wolvden but keep the same amount of success as it currently is, no separate energy for pride members, personality not mattering, and no synergy, then thats fine, but I'm worried they will turn Lioden's hunting system into an identical one to wolvden and that scares me, ESPECIALLY with there being SO MANY personality types, its just a migraine waiting to happen. Finding the right lionesses that would get along without fighting will be tedious, hard, and outright rage inducing with how many personalities and categories we have!



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2020-11-24 00:04:38
Removed.



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Edited on 24/11/20 @ 12:38:56 by Moou (#62724)

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2020-11-24 01:29:12
I'm honestly desperate for them to NOT make it like Wolvden, I tried but stopped playing it because I found it too unrewarding and not fun at all to play.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2020-11-24 03:06:24
Absolutely agree. I strongly dislike Wolvden hunting system for a great many reasons, but the biggest issue is the absolute waste of time hunting is at the beginning. For days and days your hunters will fail ALWAYS, 100% of their hunts, not a single success - that's crazy, and that really kills all the possible "immersive" feeling its supposed to give. For many days, hunters waste space and food for absolute nothing, and that makes keeping them just not worth it!



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Edited on 24/11/20 @ 03:10:49 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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Posted on
2020-11-24 04:50:16
The news post explicitly says they're not changing hunting success rates.

It does say

"The Hunting system would work more like it does on Wolvden as well.
As with Explore, it would also receive seasonal cycles and weather, along with four hunting subzones for prey variety, hunting team synergy, prey spotting, and much more!"

However, it later mentions

"We're just recoding the game engine and streamlining existing features into richer experience such as explore rehaul or hunting - but the food rates and your general experience will be the same!"

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the addition of weather and hunting subzones. Nothing inherently wrong with new hunting mechanics, either, as long as the general experience/ease stays the same, so no support for the moment.



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Edited on 24/11/20 @ 04:50:45 by maucedia (#32469)







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