Posted by .: Merge the July Events :. #BringBackJuly

Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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Posted on
2021-07-16 18:42:17

#BringBackJuly

Please read before commenting!
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As I have said before; I am AWARE that the "full version" of the event is not available and it will not be until next year. I am AWARE that the admin and art teams put in a lot of work for this event. I am very thankful for them. Xylax, Deertush, 7th, you guys are amazing and I love you. This thread is in no way meant to downplay your skills or capabilities, because your art is fantastic and i and everyone else appreciate everything you do for us to keep the game fresh and beautiful. This thread is being posted because I would like to hear suggestions and input from the rest of the community, because i am aware that myself and most of my friends very much dislike what has happened to the July event in terms of the rehaul.



What the Data Shows
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As the Lioden Admins have shared with us today,
this was the feedback given on the event survey last week:

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This feedback is overwhelming. 36.4% of players said they liked everything about the event. 33.1% of players said that they liked the content, but not the storyline. This is a total of 69.5 percent of players. That's almost 70%, or 7/10 players.

If you were to remove the outlier data, which would be the "not applicable" padding, and instead only focus on those who have played the old event, it would be a total of 80.4% overall. This brings us to..... 69.5 out of 80.4 players overall liking the old event.

That leads me to the following solution, based upon the facts and evidence laid before me with surveys from the lioden population. The problem wasn't the characters. The problem wasn't the event. The problem was the STORYLINE.


So, what do are you suggesting?
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The Lioden Admins stated in the news post that the characters will be retired and the event
will be moving on.. but this is NOT what the people have voted for,
and not what the people want!

Please, it can be worked out so that everyone is happy.
Here's a bulleted list of what I had in mind:

✗ -- RETCON THE STORYLINE, NOT THE CHARACTERS. -- ✗

What a joy, that we live in a world where things that are fictional can be changed! When the event came out, people mourned what Apedemak was and who he used to be. Everyone loved him! We can go BACK to that! All that has to be said is, "We understand the story did not come off as appropriate or sensitive to those who it may have effected. We're going to do better." and then.. make a brand new storyline! Where those things NEVER happened! It literally never has to be talked about again! It was a mistake, and mistakes can be forgiven and forgotten!

✗ -- REPLACE ZIMBABWE WITH THE CELESTIAL EXPLORE. -- ✗

This is the biggest compromise I can think of; Zimbabwe did not fit into the event, and neither did firefly catching in the forest. But the Celestial explore has potential, way more potential with the Celestial Family than Zimbabwe ever did. It would be merging the two events together, so everyone can be happy. It could even end up being part of fetch quests, where you have to collect stars from space creatures in order for Menhit to line her nest for her and Apollyon's celestial cubs; all it needs is tweaking for how it works, and it would be the perfect replacement.

✗ -- IMPROVE ON THE LORE OF THE CELESTIAL LIONS. -- ✗

There was so much that could have been done. Tefnut's backstory, Apollyon's Backstory: It could have gone so far! There could have been one year where we helped Menhit prepare for her cubs with apollyon by doing funny little tasks for her, there could have been a year where we met Apollyon's parents and helped them solve problems for the fire lords. There's so much that could be improved on and expanded, the old storyline could have been left completely in the dust!

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On Merging the Events
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✗ -- THE CELESTIAL ANTHOLOGY : ADD A SHORT NEW STORYLINE EVERY YEAR. -- ✗

On Year 1, We focus on Apedemak. His story introduces the Celestial Lions, Who they are, and how they got here. His focus is on getting back to his family, and our lion assists him on helping to craft the Celestial Portal. To thank us for agreeing to help him, Apedemak blesses us with the ability to become temporarily celestial: our lions become just like the starry-pelted gods, for a short time, and are able to access the Celestial Explore to help him. Once the portal is unlocked, on Tier 3, we find out that Celestial lions can pass through it as many times as they like, but regular lions cannot. Apedemak leaves, but he promises he will see you soon. This opens the door for new celestial lions to come through every year, to continue the anthology.

This not only includes Apedemak, Apollyon, Menhit, The Demiurge and Tefnut, but there's also a handful of Celestal Pelts that have not been used yet that could be brand new lions: Dawn, Sunrise, Leonid, Stratosphere, Meteorite, Moonstone, and Labradorite.

✗ -- THE CELESTIAL EXPLORE: ENEMIES REFLECT THE NEW ANTHOLOGY. -- ✗

Instead of having space dragons and aliens that are insane for our lions to even attempt to fight, the Celestial Explore can instead have enemies that reflect the current theme of the year. Not only would it keep the art fresh, but it would feel like a new event without really being one.

For this event, we could fight starry versions of regular enemies and new enemies to complete quests: Collect horns made of light from Celestial Wildebeest, Fight Celestial Lions who have also gone astray, and more. Once an entry for Menhit is added, new enemies that reflect the her anthology could be added. Big Golden Sun-birds to collect feathers to line her nest, Dark Shadowcats that want to steal her cubs once they're born. The possibilities are endless.

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In Closing
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Please, admins. We all love this game, that's why we're here.
We love every part of it, and the July Characters were a big part of that.

Consider reflecting over the points i've made above and the points that people will make in the comments, and hearing what we have to say about the game we've all watched grow together.


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Rain (#230007)

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Posted on
2022-02-28 16:46:07
This topic came up in chat recently and I really love the ideas these threads have- I came here to read other ideas bc I was thinking of making a suggestion that retired July be moved into the adventuring section like the crater quest- I hope admins read your threads and consider everyone’s ideas



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🥚Alato
[MaroonBeet3bo] (#141316)

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Posted on
2022-03-02 18:15:44
I like the overall idea of this, but i disagree on two parts. I feel like its a lot to expect a short new storyline every year, since usually there’s already new content being added to events in the form of new items, events, and bases/marking. Also, i feel like its not really weird that our lions fight celestial dragons considering julys theme. That would mean throwing out all of the encounter art and making more. I mean, lower the difficulty on fighting them but i think scraping it altogether is a bit much.



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Squid [G1 Double
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Posted on
2023-07-03 09:00:54
I may have never been here for the old July event, but the idea of expanded lore for the storyline AND the celestial lionesses is epic. I love the idea of preparing for Menhit and Apollyon’s cubs! And maybe, at some point, when they were born, we could send our own cubs off to play with them! Give our babies a stat boost.
I already hold the current July event very close to my heart, but a few changes like those suggested I think would work fine! Features like the celestial lionesses or celestial explore should definitely stay though.
And a better backstory on Apedemak… or on why their world is crumbling to begin with… I would love to know. I would assume most agree that Apedemak is the “bad guy” of the storyline, but what if there was a redemption arc? Maybe he wouldn’t be in power again, but learned from his mistakes? Could he become a fun grandpa for Menhits children? Who knows.
A little more info about Tefnut would be cool too.
And what I think I would enjoy the most is getting a bigger picture of what’s happening to the cancer constellation! The Demiurge says it’s falling apart, but why?

All in all, I 100% support this! It’s an amazing idea. And yes, it was posted in 2021, but I think it could still play a part in “revamping” the July event. Maybe July doesn’t need a revamp, or at least not yet, but at some point in the future (cough next year cough cough) I would love to see these features being added.
And please omg let me play with Menhit and Apollyons cubs aaa



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2023-07-08 19:42:44
The choice of names used is kind of telling for me in this event...
Lemme elaborate.

From Dictionary.com:
Apollyon. / (əˈpɒljən) / noun. New Testament the destroyer, a name given to the Devil (Revelation 9:11)

From Wikipedia:
Apedemak or Apademak was a major deity in the ancient Kushite pantheon. Often depicted as a figure with a male human torso and a lion head, Apedemak was a war god worshiped by the Meroitic peoples inhabiting Kush.

These choices of names might have just been because they "sounded cool", but the idea of a foreign DEVIL trying to take over a native kingdom feels very thematically in-line with sabotage, invasion and wiping out foreign nations.

If I could have a hand in the writing of this storyline, honestly, what I would have done was make Apollyon directly responsible for Apedemak's madness. That Apollyon is deceiving Menhit and leading her astray, and his goal is to use Apedemak to kill Tefnut, then kill Apedemak, so Menhit has nobody to turn to for help.

And then, when she realizes the truth, that's when she seeks you: THE PLAYER.

You are the hero who helps her defeats this ancient evil who has slain her family and threatens this kingdom. You are the hero who helps her reclaim her rightful throne and rebuild her lands.

And I think that would be a story that both adds dynamic intrigue, and also depth, to what's going on, while scrubbing Apedemak's choices from the story not as something Apademak wanted, but an evil that was corrupting the mad king.



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Edited on 08/07/23 @ 19:53:09 by [△] Nadir (#108458)







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