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| Posted by | Change the Mutation Roll Order |
 Lex 🦋 (#56485) 
Divine View Forum Posts  Posted on 2022-01-22 16:51:40 |
Very simple suggestion! As it stands currently, the mutation roll order is the following: Leopon OR Overgrown Fur OR Tigon ➜ Patches/Piebald ➜ GMO Cow/Lion Meat ➜ Cotton Root Bark ➜ Fertility/Natural Chance ➜ Lion Scrotum ➜ Primal ➜ Dorsal Fur ➜ Tigon Boost ➜ Mukombero ➜ Dorsal Fur Guarantee I would like to change it to the following: Lion Scrotum ➜ Mukombero ➜ Dorsal Fur Guarantee ➜ Leopon OR Overgrown OR Tigon ➜ GMO Cow/Lion Meat ➜ Cotton Root Bark ➜ Piebald/Patches ➜ Primal ➜ Dorsal Fur ➜ Tigon Boost ➜ Fertility/Natural Chance Here's my reason for the following: 1) Moving Lion Scrotum to 1st: If i'm using a Lion Scrotum, it's obvious that i'm wanting to breed whatever the Lion scrotum is on. Why would this roll so late? Not only is this causing many players (Dwarf breeders, DU Breeders, etc) to miss out on having fun piebald and patch kings because patch/pie rolls first, but it just makes sense to me that if i'm using an expensive breeding item to pass a mutation from the mother, the father should be an afterthought. 2) Moving Mukombero and Dorsal Fur Guarantee to 2nd and 3rd. This just makes the most sense to me, because they're guarantees. You would think a guarantee would roll first, right? 3) Patches, Piebald, Primal, and Dorsal Fur behind Breeding Items This is a second point to my argument from before. If i'm using mutation items on my Lioness, i'm very clearly not looking to get a mutation from the father. I personally think that all of the King-passable mutations should be a fun little breeding surprise. Like a "oh man, you didn't get a dwarf, but isn't this piebald cute at least?" I think having king-based mutations as a little consolation prize is much nicer than having to worry about if i'm missing out on an expensive mutation being born because the one stud with the markings I needed has a primal mutation. 4) Moving Fertility / Natural Chance to dead last I feel like this should be obvious. The natural chance is meant to be low, so why is it not last? TLDR; I super love piebalds, but i'm never able to use them because they overwrite my expensive breedings :( |
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Shadow (Main) (#73284)
Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-01-22 16:54:02 |
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G2 Harle Arabica[Datrandomcat (#196548) Maneater View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-01-23 01:30:08 |
I think it's a smart idea to put Piebald behind the random and items, but otherwise the current one makes sense to me. It seems to roll after rarity, starting with the random chances, with the weird exception of pies. Og Fur Tigon and Gon makes sense being first to me, it's the most rare (except Og fur) mutations that roll first. I might have tried to get a mane mutt, but I surelly wouldn't trade that for the chance of getting a hybrid, a first generation while at it. So it makes sense to me for the ultra rare mutation chance rolls first. I interpret that’s how it works atleast? Otherwise it really doesn't matter if Lion scrot is before or after it. GmoCow, Lion meat, CRB and natural chance also makes sense to me rolling before Lion Scrot and guarantee items. These are the chances for completly random mutations seperate to whatever mutation the mother may have, thus rolling first. After that should come Lion scrot, Muk and then Dorsal guarantee. They have the biggest chance to provide a mutation, with Lion scrot being the lowest. I don't count the Tigon boost because that's pretty much retired. Then should it come as Dorsal fur>Piebald/patches>Primal. For me it feels right that the most common heridatery mutation rolls last, and you cannot apply Dorsal so it should roll before Pie.  0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lex 🦋 (#56485)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2022-01-23 07:07:39 |
Lion Scrotum can’t be used on hybrids and it can’t be used on lions with other mutation item effects, so I would be open to putting it in front of cotton root bark ? But it doesn’t really matter otherwise. Leopon/Tigon/OG Fur is only referring to when you’re breeding to a mother with that mutation, it doesn’t include the chance for first gens at all. The point in putting mukombero and the DFG in front is because they’re a guarantee. If, for whatever reason, you decided to use one of those items on a leopon, having it be first would make it so the cub never had a chance at being a leopon at all instead of it having the possibility of having been a leopon once, but overwritten in place of mukombero or dorsal fur. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Terrinthia [G1, semi-frozen] (#97101)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-03 06:18:37 |
I'm considering a small CRB project when Jaglions are released, which limits me to either a Primal or non-passable mutation/no mutation. I have... SO many Piebald MoDs  Hmm, hypothetically - suppose someone breeds their hybrid with Dorsal Fur boost active when they didn't realize it. What if, somehow, the hybrid passes her mutation on all of the cubs? O_o What would happen to the boost, would it override at the end? That doesn't make sense. It should just pop onto a cub right away. Small tweak I'd personally make is to put Dorsal Fur before Piebald and Primal. They're already really hard to pass. I heavily agree that Natural Chance should be last. Why is it ahead of Lion Scrotum lmao, that's probably how I keep getting freaking mane AMPs on my DU heats. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/01/24 @ 06:21:09 by Terrinthia [G1 Shreds] (#97101) |
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Morr 🔥 9BOx2Mottx2RoS (#26583) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-01-11 14:16:07 |
I agree with both Harle and Terrinthia on this, but most of all I just agree with this post 😆😆 I do think pon/gon should roll before lion scrotes like Harle mentioned, as lion scrotes and gon/pon don't mix at all unless you're getting a G1, which is definitely something more worthwhile to someone breeding a DU than getting another DU, I don't care who you are, sell the G1 for barks and more Du breeding stuff if it's that dire (gah, ANOTHER G1?! UGH....xD). But I think lion scrotes should roll immediately after. Same with muk and dorsal guarantee. Those items/boosts are there for a reason. No one wants a normal primal for pete's sake over their ferus/dorsal. I also agree that dorsal should come before pie/patch/primal with it's rarity, like Terrinthia suggested. As for the hypothetical accidental dorsal guarantee breeding to a full hybrid litter...honestly idk, but that would possibly be the weirdest thing I've ever heard or seen happen in lioden, even after the story of the person who got a g3 g1 gon from their g2 g1 pon (i think that was how that went lmfao). If that was the case you'd probably have to contact the mods about getting your DF boost back 🤔 you probably accidentally used it to begin with tho so that works. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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