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2023-03-01 16:29:01

The Lioden Conservatory

Hello there, and welcome to The Lioden Conservatory official clan thread!

Our clan's focus is on the preservation and spreading of rare, breed-only traits. You can read more about our processes in the Criteria & Support Processes section of this thread!

The Lioden Conservatory (LDC / LC) was founded March 1st, 2023, after another similar clan called The Red List of Lioden, originally created by #185560, was shut down. I personally loved the idea of The Red List, and was very sad to see it go, and so this clan was born from a few days of planning.
We don't expect this to take off or anything, we recognize it's a very niche subsect of breed-only breeding. We figured it would be easier to make a new clan to help organize the process compared to just doing it through Discord DMs, and would give other on-site users a chance to join the efforts as well!

This is a general conversational thread. Feel free to converse with your fellow clan members, ask questions, submit studs, and more here!



Helpful Links

Frequently Asked Questions

Clan Page | Clan Stud List | PM Jester

Combo Bases | BO Marking Slot Rarity | Base Genetics

Conservation Journals
Conservation Journals are The Lioden Conservatory's own Guide Series! We make these for our members, but make them public to help others. If you want a topic to be covered in a Conservation Journal, you can request it on the Conservation Journal Masterpost!
Meet the Admins!

Jester [#187561] is the owner and head admin of this clan, and the one writing this thread! I use they/he pronouns. I handle anything having to do with the day to day of the clan. Incentive applications, donations, or even member conflict will be handled by me. Please note that if another member violates the Lioden Code of Conduct, harasses you, or scams you, you should report them to Modbox first, then let me know what happened!

Katie [#106445] is second in command. She uses she/her pronouns, and if you can't reach Jester, she's your best bet for getting whatever you need handled. Please do not send her incentive applications, as those are only handled by Jester. She now handles the clan trait lists and evaluating endangered traits. If you'd like to get in contact with her, or you have concerns about a trait's placement, you can PM her here, and make sure you fill out the evaluation inquiry form:
Trait You're Submitting:
Vulnerable, Endangered or Critically Endangered (and # of living lions with trait):
Please double check release date of trait and ensure it is breed only before submitting!

Serval [#98320] is our Discord admin! She uses she/her pronouns, and her duties include moderating the Discord, keeping track of invites, and whatever else. She'll also be handling any suggestions related to the discord, and for the most part, any non-conservation tickets made. For any questions relating to the Discord, PM her here.

While no longer on the team due to inactivity, we also have Howl [#379026], who is welcome back if they start playing again! Thank you for all the work you did, Howl!
The Monthly Spotlight: MUDSTONE

Our January spotlight is Mudstone! With its nice earthy colors and rocky textures, we'll be getting Mudstoned to get through this month
Clan Partnerships

As of June 2023, The Lioden Conservatory now partners with clans we feel align with our goals! We look for clans with a focus on breed-only traits, the economy, or clans we feel will align with the interest of our members. If the clan is interested in a partnership, an admin will reach out to you. We require nothing of our partners, there are no fees, you do not have to promote us in anyway. We will post a link to your clan on our clan page, and also include any prominent information in a clan message.
We also encourage those seeking partnerships to reach out. If you feel your clan will make a good fit for LDC's members, feel free to get in contact with any admin. The worst thing that can happen is we say no!

Our Partners
Click the buttons below to check out our partners!

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Edited on 02/01/24 @ 11:13:33 by coolio πŸ„β”ƒmaziwa (#149374)

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2023-03-01 16:29:18

Criteria & Support ProcessesSo, you know we try to prevent rare breed-only traits from going extinct, but how do we do that?

Well, it's simple! We evaluate submitted traits based on three categories, which are: Vulnerable, Endangered, and Critically Endangered. You can see more about these categories, including the traits in them, here on our clan page!
Traits that are determined to be Critically Endangered have our utmost attention. Traits from other categories are a lower priority, as they often have very dedicated breeders despite their own rarity. Generally, the traits that end up in 'Critically Endangered' have very, very few, or no dedicated breeders to their cause.

In order for a trait to be evaluated and placed into one of our riskiness categories, it is required to meet all of the following criteria:

β€’ Be primarily obtained through breeding, and not be a rosette. You can check base eligibility here, and marking eligibility here. We would evaluate rosettes, but due to the random rosette mechanic, they usually end up spreading just fine on their own!

β€’ Be in game, available to breed, for more than six months. We recommend checking against the Raffle Lioness Directory to see when the trait was introduced in game, as many traits were introduced in prior newposts but not available for a few weeks to months afterwards.

β€’ Be one of the following: Base, Marking, Eye Color, Mane Shape, Mane Color, or Skin. We do not evaluate individual marking slots. As much as we would like too, there are far too many rare marking slots in game to make it even close to practical.

β€’ Have less than 750 living lions in game as of the time of evaluation OR be an NCL + Groupie Exclusive Base with less than 60 kings.



Once a trait is evaluated and placed into a riskiness category, there are a few different approaches we'll take to try and support it, which depend on the trait itself.

When it comes to Eyes, Skins, Markings, Mane Shapes, or Mane Colors, admins will take in lions with the trait, found either via buying from TC, buying from clan members, or the occasional donation, breed the lion in order to get cubs with the trait, and then raffle off cubs to clan members! We also take in donations to go straight to raffle, if you'd prefer, though allowing admins to breed it will make the process of getting it out significantly faster!

For bases, we have to approach it a slightly different way. Many of the bases that are placed on our list can be expensive, either due to no one selling them, or just because something happened and they jumped in value (looking at you, Pearl). We call these our conservation programs.
Breeder Adoption Program (BAP)

If you are breeding any breed-only base, the clan will provide you with up to FIVE (5) breeders per month, subject to change depending on demand. This countdown resets on the first of the month, due to the fact our storage account rolls only once per 29 days. Also due to this, applications for this program are usually handled in large batches near the end of the month, rather than immediately. The lions are randomly assigned to you, in order to make sure we will be able to get through our stores. If you are unhappy with anything you're sent, please let an admin know as soon as possible so we can get the process of swapping it out done ASAP.

Given how this program is only possible due to the kindness of your fellow conservationists, we ask that you DO NOT resell these lions. Most of the lions that are part of this program were donated by them, and it's just disrespectful to the users who donated these lions to allow users to resell. If you wish to get rid of your breeders, please PM Jester see if they're able to be used by the clan, give them away in the clan discord, or chase them. Reselling breeders will result in a verbal warning for the first offense, and a boot from the clan for the second offense. We do keep track of all breeders and who they go to, just to better keep track of this.

For non-combo bases, we will try to match genetics whenever possible, but it may not always happen. Please make sure to note that color group, shade, and gradient have no effect on the pass rate of special bases- no matter the genetics, a Special x Rare / Uncommon breeding will always have a 2% chance for the Special base.
We'd also like to remind you that the factor bases used in combo breeding have no effect on the success rate of combos, either. A Smog x Albino and a Smog x Smog breeding have the same exact chance to produce a Smog based cub.

This program is only available through application. Please note that while we would like to fulfill every single application exactly as you would like, this is not always possible. In order to apply, please PM Jester with the following application filled out:

Username & ID:
Base You're Breeding:
How many breeders do you need?:
Up to FIVE (5) per month, this resets on the first of the month.
Any special requests?: This is where you'll put things like clean/dirty, any traits you'd like, etc. We do not promise breeders offered will match these, but we will try our best.
Heir Incentive Program (HIP)

If you are kinging an Endangered Base or Critically Endangered base, the clan will help you source an heir, and provide up to 10 or 25, respectively, to cover retirement costs.
This comes with a few stipulations, though, to ensure you're not attempting to take advantage of the clan's kindness. Depending on the severity of the infraction, you may get anywhere from a verbal warning to an immediate boot from the clan. These are as follows:

β€’ You have THREE (3) days, from when they are sent to you, to king your clan-provided heir.
β€’ You have to keep your clan-provided king for a minimum for THIRTY (30) days from date kinged. Exceptions may be made on a case-by-case basis, such as project steps!
β€’ Your clan-provided king may be closed to the public, but we require you to allow other clan members to stud.

Please note that not all applications will be accepted. We want to try and prevent one base from taking over. We want you to enjoy your kings, so we ask for any preferences you may have, though we cannot always promise that we can meet these preferences. If you are unhappy with the options we present to you, you can always rescind your application. Applications containing Critically Endangered Bases, or bases we already have in stock, will be given priority. We will not provide mutation reps or put money towards mutation reps for these, the only way you will get a mutated king is if the lion we buy happens to be mutated. We also ask that you please make sure to rollover, or at least be online, on the day of the roll. We make sure to notify for roll dates both in the clan description, and in clan messages. If you are not active on the day, we will not send the heir in order to keep it from potentially going on an unused account.

In order to apply for the Heir Incentive program, please PM Jester with the following application filled out:

Username & ID:
Base You'd Like to Breed:
Endangered or Critically Endangered:
Time Left on Retirement Cooldown: Please provide a screenshot of the retiring your king page. This gives us an idea of how long we have to find a suitable heir for you.
How much GB will you need?:
Any trait preferences?: List things such as clean or dirty, dark markings, eye colors, skin colors, etc., here. We will do our best to follow these, but we cannot promise every heir we have will fit all of your specifications.
Freezer Space

Exclusive only to members of the Lioden Conservatory Discord, we offer the ability to store your lions in the clan's freezer account! The account will not roll specifically for members to store their lions, you must plan storage plans around the account's roll dates. There are a few additional rules, as well, which are as follows:

β€’ You MUST provide a return month when storing your lion. This can be extended or shortened, but this determines when your lion will be returned. You also must have rolled over in the past week for the return date.
β€’ You are required to provide the GB for the territory space your lion will take up. Male Lion slots are at 15GB and female territory space is currently at 2GB. This is just so that it is a transaction, and thus better protected by Modbox.
β€’ Please make sure to CLEARLY LABEL your lion with your ID in their name. Not in their footnote or bio, but in their name. This is to make sorting easier.

The same window for freezing your lion is the same as the donation window, so please make sure to check the current donation window (or upcoming donation windows) on the clan page.

This perk is only exclusive to Discord Members, so if you want to take advantage of it, join our Discord!

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Edited on 19/06/23 @ 04:57:41 by jester 🏳️‍🌈 (#187561)

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Posted on
2023-03-01 16:29:32

FAQThis is our FAQ section! In addition to having some general questions, we will add any questions we get often, as well!



General Questions

Q: Are there any requirements to join the clan?
A: None at all! We believe conservation is a cause everyone can get behind. There are no requirements to join The Lioden Conservatory, no fees, no quotas, absolutely nothing is required of you to be a member.

Q: Are you accepting any moderators or admins?
A: No. We will make sure to notify members if we're looking for new staff members, but we are not looking for any at this time.

Q: Do you have a Clan Discord?
A: Yes, we do! You can find the Clan Discord here! Please be patient while awaiting your roles to be assigned, and make sure to introduce yourself.

Q: How do I donate lions?
A: Please PM any admin to see if the lion you'd like to donate is eligible and the steps you should take!

Q: What made you guys decide to preserve rare traits?
A: Masochism.
Breeder Adoption Program Questions

Q: How do I request breeders for bases?
A: You can request breeders for your base by sending a PM to Jester and informing us of the base you're breeding.

Q: What bases are eligible?
A: All breed-only bases are eligible for the program, even ones we don't monitor! Please note that those breeding more Endangered bases will likely be given higher priority than others, as there's only so many breeders to go around!

Q: What are the requirements to donate for this program?
A: We require all prospective donations to be female cubs or adolescents, have at least five (5) breed-only traits, and to be combo factors, uncommon bases, or rare bases.

Q: Do I need to donate to benefit from this program?
A: No, absolutely not. While we encourage you to donate any fail cubs that may not fit your personal project, it is not in any way required. We do not require anything of you, other than being a clan member, to benefit from this program.
Heir Incentive Program Questions

Q: How does the Heir Incentive Program work?
A: The incentive program works by providing hopeful breeders of Endangered or Critically Endangered traits with the resources to get started. Often times, the biggest hurdle to people joining breeding projects like these is the initial cost. We hope that, by alleviating these initial costs, it encourages more people to join in and stay involved in the process.

Q: How often can I apply?
A: If you are accepted, you'll need to wait a minimum of SIX (6) months to reapply, from the date of you receiving your heir. If your request is rejected, however, you can reapply after a waiting period of THREE (3) days. We will always let you know why your request was rejected, so you can reapply with a different base, attributes, or what have you.
If you rescind your application, you will still need to wait the SIX (6) months to reapply as you were accepted.

Q: How can I donate lions specifically for this program?
A: We require lions donated for HIP and HIP specifically to be Special Bases, or hard to get combo factors. We would like donations to have at least three (3) breed-only traits, though we do not enforce this unless it's a base we already have heirs for. You can start the process of donating by PM'ing any admin with the lion you'd like to donate.

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Edited on 25/04/23 @ 00:52:20 by jester (#187561)

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Posted on
2023-03-01 16:29:52

Clan Stud ListPlease use CTRL + F to search for a specific base!
We organize studs based on color group, and do not provide images for each stud. If you would like to add your stud to the stud list, you can reply to this thread with a link.
Studs with a ✩ before their names offer clan-exclusive discounts! Please make sure if you intend to claim one of these discounts, you disclose your clan membership in your stud request!



Black Genetics Studs

Sidereal
✩ 61013 - 7BO Traits G4 Symmetrical Piebald | 100 refund for clan members!

✩ 57868 - 18BO Traits (Statty) G1 Broken Piebald | 50% refund for clan members!

Stratosphere
✩ 64710 - 5BO Traits G4 Broken Piebald | 100 refund for clan members!

Incense
✩ 280529 - MR Incense G2 Clouded Piebald | 50 refund for clan members!

Majivu
✩ 4551 - 9BO Traits G2 Smilus Primal | Full Refund for clan members attempting Majivu!
Cream Genetics Studs

Ruffian
✩ 163971 - 6BO Traits G1 Primal | 100 refund for clan members!

Ivory
✩ 93514 - 12BO Traits G2 Withered Piebald | 100 refund for clan members!

Pearl
✩ 155251 - Modified 10.11.19 RLC G2 Plumage Patches | 500 refund for clan members! [ROLLS FRIDAYS]

✩ 282830 - 9BO Traits G3 | 100 refund for clan members!

Arabica
83524 - 07.30.21 RLC G2 Primal Ferus

✩ 116721 - 10BO Traits G2 Tobiano Piebald | 150 refund for clan members!

Mummy
✩ 398087 - Tri Rosette G2 Uneven Patches | 50 refund for clan members!
Gold Genetics Studs

Ember
86981 - 11.27.20 RLC G1 Wicked Patches

Xanthic
✩ 308641 - 11BO Traits G3 Ferus | 100 refund for clan members!

Maziwa
✩ 149374 - 7BO Traits G1 Cracked | 75 refund for clan members!

Dhahabi
✩ 229394 - 9BO Traits 11 Scattered Piebald | 50 refund for clan members!

Mandarin
✩360862 - 9BO Traits G3 | Full Refund until Mut Repped!
Red Genetics Studs
Sepia
✩ 164326 - Sepia Double Rosette G4 Harlequin Piebald | 100 refund for clan members!

Sutekh
✩ 243884 - 15BO Traits G7 Smilus Quad Rosette | 100 refund for clan members!

✩ 258262 - 5BO Tri Ros G3 Ferus | 50 refund for clan members!

Sapela
✩ 427456 - 5BO Traits Dirty Project King | Refunded breedings for clan members!

✩ 243884 - 15BO Traits G8 7.31.2020 RLC | 100 refund for clan members!

Rose Gold
✩ 378599 - 14BO Traits G1 02.17.23 RLC | 1 or 1000 refund for clan members!

Bandit
✩ 213833 - 5BO Traits G1 Patches Wicked | 50 refund for clan members!

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Edited on 24/08/23 @ 16:25:59 by jester ☘️ (#187561)

Robin [G2 Inpu 12bo] (#93514)

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Posted on
2023-03-02 14:20:10
I've got an ivory based 12BO stud perfect for Madagascar breeding ^^ https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=93514 ... She'll offer 100 off for any members of the Clan



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Edited on 02/03/23 @ 14:42:46 by Robin [G2 Ivory 12BO] (#93514)

Bear [Asiatic RLC] (#164326)

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Posted on
2023-03-02 16:16:36
Hi hi, I'm a Sepia and Pearl breeder. I'd offer my modified RLC stud as a breeder for Madagascar and Sepia with a discount of 100 for clan members. https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=164326

My main is a Pearl modified RLC stud, but as I'm semi freezing her starting march 3rd she'll only be active on fridays with a discount of 500SB for clan members.
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=155251



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jester [im autistic]
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Posted on
2023-03-02 16:26:09
stud list updated, thank you guys for submitting!

all three are absolutely beautiful, i had kath bookmarked but definitely adding nayombi and jasmine to my combo factor/breeder bookmarks too! i've never seen cimmerian on an ivory, it looks so stunning.



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Anne (BO Sidereal)
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Posted on
2023-03-02 17:32:12
Hello! I'm a Black base breeder (Sidereal and Stratosphere, lilac, haze). I also breed pearls and sepias!

Here's my wip sidereal boi. His services will be available to clan members with a discount of 100 SB πŸ–€ (sidereal is also a combo base factor to Cairngorm)
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=61013

Here's my strat boi! 100 SB discount for clan members ✨
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=64710



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estix [side] ❄️ (#83524)


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Posted on
2023-03-03 10:49:26
I'm so happy to see y'all bringing this project back to life, I was devastated when I saw the Red List was shut down!
So - hi everyone! I'm estix, I mainly stick to breeding lions in the Cream category here on my side, and Goldens over on my main. I've been pretty addicted to combo breeding lately, and I guess this is the perfect time to show off the first fruits of my labors: my first arabica child!
Excited to see you all around! Best of luck with everyone's projects :)


Oh and I'd love it if my studs were added to the list!
main - g1 ember rlc
side - g2 arabica rlc
Thank you!



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jester [im autistic]
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Posted on
2023-03-03 11:44:28
updated stud list again, thank you so much for submitting your studs!

And I was also really upset to see it go too, I loved the idea behind it, and it just shut down really randomly too. I decided to give it a few days to see if it came back, and when it didn't I decided to make this in March! Figured making the clan in march would fit with the theme nicely. Congrats on your Arabica! I haven't had much luck in breeding Hellebore, so I'm happy to see someone having some combo luck, lol.



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Robin [G2 Inpu 12bo] (#93514)

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Posted on
2023-03-03 12:08:36
Ive had some luck here recently with a Hellebore drop and an Ember drop. Very exciting when combo breeding finally works



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Jusky πŸ›°οΈ (#64262)

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Posted on
2023-03-04 10:06:55
whew i'm happy to see this back.
What a nightmare when I kinged my heir and saw Red List had disappeared. King isn't a combo breeder himself, hoping to see any Asiatic studs here.



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Posted on
2023-03-04 19:11:33
hello hello! so glad to see find this, was shocked when red list was shut down ;w;

im mainly a pearl breeder but hope to dabble in some qahir and squall breeding

here's my wip pearl king! https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=282830 100sb discount to members, also a cairngorm factor!

main is a sutkeh king, ogdoad factor https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=243884 100sb discount to members as well :)



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Posted on
2023-03-04 21:36:23
Updated stud list you guys!
I'm glad to see so many other people excited to see it back, I was really anxious no one would join when I started it. I know we're only at thirty-three members, but I'm hoping to see more in the coming days!



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Fern [side] (#163971)

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Posted on
2023-03-09 11:36:45
Very glad to see another clan for this cause!

I notice Damu is classified as Endangered so I'd be happy to have my Damu RLC stud listed with a 200 SB refund for clan members

I've been planning to king a Ruffian in the near future anyway, but I'm surprised to see its numbers are so low, since it's been around for almost 5 years and I was under the impression it was decently well-liked at least by cream standards...? Hopefully I'll be able to help soon assuming my queen cooperates πŸ™β€



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Posted on
2023-03-09 13:27:28
I was so sad to see the Red List shut down - I'm glad to see there's another Clan being made in a similar vein! I was originally going to be a Ruffian breeder once August rolled around, but after acquiring a few lions to jump off with for the project I decided I might give trying for the base proper a go. It'll be for my side account, and probably won't end up kinging a Ruffian until August, but I'd be happy to provide other Ruffian breeders with any lions I produce that don't necessarily fit my project!



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