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 Strider (#14867) Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts  Posted on 2023-04-19 13:01:02 |
Howdy all! It's been a while since I've played Lioden, mostly because over the years I've never figured out what to *do* in Lioden. Yeah, I've enjoyed Flight Rising for some time, and I was one of the early Furvilla players, but I can't wrap my head around Lioden now that I'm looking at getting back into it. My main problem is: how do you find *worth* in your lions? I understand marking tier rarities, and I understand what's desirable on the high end, but what about middle tier? I don't want tiers 0-1 flooding my den if they don't look good, but should I bother with tier 3's, are tier 2's and 5's worth any high amount, are rare coats more valuable etc etc? Should I stop focusing on stats and focus more on pretty lions, no matter the marking tiers? I know worth is very subjective. In Flight Rising, worth to me is how attached I can be to dragons; I find it somewhat hard to attach that same worth to lions due to the aging mechanic. I know you can freeze them, and you can have them in your dynasty, but I'm still overcoming this barrier for entry. I think another problem for me is not knowing the market (partially hence this question); in FR, I can easily look for dragons to buy and resell for fodder, while I don't know what constitutes as fodder here. Yeah, I can claim lionesses and breed them, but should I be breeding all my lionesses in heat? Is the market for selling fodder cubs/NCLs worth it, or is driving them off more efficient/valuable for karma? (I know relatively to FR this is like 'do you exalt your dragons via the coliseum or sell them,' which in my case it's reselling for the people who exalt.) How do people find their enjoyment in this game? I guess I just am trying to understand what keeps players around. Like, what's your day to day Lioden life?  Talking to my friends doesn't really highlight *why* people like the game. I know they like exploring and grinding for event currency, but I just don't know how to find a gameplay loop appealing to me. I like exploring and grinding that way; it's a fun method, but I don't see any purpose other than the same, grinding for event currency. Markings and looks don't mean as much as stats from my gameplay-focused perspective. It feels like I'm missing out on the main point of the game.Yes, I do desire special non-lethal mutations to keep, but it seems so out of touch that there's no entry-level grab for me in that department. And when you get a primal or dwarf or anything, they're going to need to be frozen if you want to keep them around. Which... is *fine,* but is this the goal that many *new* players have? Is it just playing the RNG and gambling for it? Which is fine, I've understood that RNG for a while, but is that essentially the major draw for people? Maybe I'm just more used to forgiving odds. I've never been much of a gambler, as much as I enjoy pet games. The low odds to get something specific turns me away from breeding, which may as well be the main activity of the game from what I understand of it, though I suspect it isn't. From what I've experienced, it's very difficult to even breed anything worth keeping, at least with my sort of low-tier king and mid-tier lionesses. I'm doing my best, but it loops back around to the question of worth. I'm not going to have a major chance to breed something worthy of keeping at my entry level. Or should I stop caring about keeping lions when I should stop treating this so much like other pet games and treat it more like a market? Apologies for the major ramble. It's a lot of my thoughts I've had over the years condensed into one post, so I know it's a lot. My main point is, treating myself as someone new, how does Lioden appeal to people on an entry level? How does it retain those users, how do you find your niche? This is coming from a person who enjoys Flight Rising because I can easily access the market to sell dragons I hatch and buy at a low price and sell them as adults at the lowest adult price. As there's no turnaround like that as far as I can tell, I can't really apply the same thing here. Breed my lionesses for fodder and sell the cubs? Stop worrying about fodder and focus on solely my king? Try for mutations like I'd like to, even though I don't really have the material or funds for that? Should I sell NCLs and cubs for these funds? ??? ... help, lol  2 players like this post! Like? |
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Ladwick (#12065)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 03:14:24 |
I often wonder why I'm still here as well. I too have realized this is just a gambling game, often with little to no rewards. Most litters are 1 cub. Most cubs are potatoes. Most heats are a waste of time because of those. What's the point? I took up stat breeding as that's something I can actually somewhat control, clean lined for an extra challenge. Find something to be proud of? I came up with and bred my pride leader's design in 2018 and I'm still quite proud of them, if pride leaders appearances weren't able to be kept maybe I would have left for good a long time ago. And I've still yet to complete my crb project that I've started in 2020 but with that I think I'm too stubborn to quit. But what happens after I finally get that hybrid from the project? It'll probably just sit frozen on my side. Fun to look at but then what. It does nothing.  This probably isn't much help, sorry. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Marcie 🖤 [Project 7/15] (#148390) 
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 15:50:12 |
I used to make a big profit just breeding primals. I was selling 1 medium gen Ferus for almost 20 GB easily, and I’ll be honest with you, there’s almost no point in breeding them anymore. Same goes for pies. They sell for pretty much nothing nowadays, since the new influx of players so many people are mass breeding that there’s almost no point. However there is one month in game where you can succeed for the whole year. That’s February. I made over 8k HS this year, now that’s not really realistic for a busy person. I was using roasted lambs and checking on frequently, every 20 minutes, to flirt and slap. But, that’s over 133 buffy balls. If I sold all 133 for 25 GB. That’s over 3000 GB. You could buy a first gen with that and still have a lot of GB left. Realistically I think most people can get 2000 HS, that’s still like 825 GB selling the buffies at 25 GB (and if you wait you can sell them for more). And I mean even less, just 120 HS 2 buffies is 50 GB This is where you pretty much pick a passion and decide what you want to do, would you like to breed a unique king? Get into hybrids? DUs? Lethals? Find that big go to and try not to stress about the breeding because… events. I’m talking, GMO cows, gnaws, crunchies, balls, they’re worth so much and anyone can save just a little bit of each and make a huge profit in between. This is just how the game is, I guess there’s never really a point to any game. They’re just for fun, and really most of it is just happy rarity values. So unfortunately, unless you find enjoyment in those high end lions or get comfort from having “meh” lions you’ll never enjoy the game, really. That’s the whole point is having a pride and playing the events. I think the problem is people worry about investing and not getting back, there’s nothing that can be done about failed breedings but you absolutely do not have to be broke. There’s enough events that come around with really high value items that you can sell it all and be rich and pretty much achieve (almost) anything you want if you are keeping track of the months and took advantage of February. Go crazy. Why not? Events are the ticket to success, you decide how you want to breed. But the best way to stay connected is to choose an area whether that be GMO breeding, RMA, dawns. There’s people that go out of their way to recover extinct RLCS. If you don’t connect to any lions in game then.. why? Right? Connecting to people can help as well, getting involved and such can make things feel more meaningful. I actually cleared everything off my account and dropped hybrids and have steered to lethals (specifically I’m get into MS and Rosette lethals, I’ve just started this very recently) I can save to buy ones that come onto the market and I can have a separate savings to RMA my own rosettes onto them. That just happens to be my drive. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 25/04/23 @ 16:01:51 by Marcie 🧂 (#148390) |
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Strider (#14867)
Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 10:14:38 |
@ Ladwick, I think this is helpful! It does show a lot of what other people think of this game. I've been thinking about my earlier post for a while and mulling over how I've said some things, but it truly is gambling and project. A lot of what keeps me around right now is trying to level my lion up, and waiting for other monthly events, even if they're going to be quite a ways away. That being said, if I had to stop Lioden, it's not like it'd be the end of me. I think a lot of it for me, after a lot of reflection, has been just not being involved in the forums. I don't know the community and I don't have much to add like I do on other sites, which is fine! But it's something to break the monotony that I haven't really touched. I think your advice on starting projects is the best one. It's essentially just tiered goals: the game, and I'm going to try to start looking at it that way instead of worrying about keeping lions around or playing the market. Thank you for your response! I'm sorry you feel this way too :( I do understand truly, and really, if there's no joy there's no need to keep playing, but it sounds like you have a little bit of happiness in getting that pride leader and going after your crb project. As someone on the same quest for finding their joy, good luck! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Thalath {Side} (#43831)
Holy View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 15:58:43 |
I completely understand how you feel. I made a joke the other day that Lioden is basically just a lion gacha game but you don't even get to keep your pulls forever unless you freeze them or it's a king lol Not being able to keep your lions forever kind of does me in, too. The only lions I have that have any actual lore are my frozen ones, mostly the ones on my main account because those are the ones I'm most attached to. I also feel like Lioden has lost the plot a little bit over the years. It was originally designed to be more of an RPG-focused game iirc, and now it just feels like... what I said, lion gacha. I don't actually like the idea of trying to breed lions for profit, I think it's a fool's errand and trying to focus on making traits profitable or artificially rare (either by the staff or by players) is what's turned it into that sort of state. I'm pretty vocal about the odds and pass rates of things being both a. Bad and b. Non-transparent. For a while a lot of pass rates on some bases and markings were even broken or shadow patched without us being told about it ever, just that we're told "it's just RNG and [we're] unlucky". Although, some of these have been fixed and we were told about it. I still think the pass rate OR requirements on a lot of the bases is still pretty bad though, namely for Specials and Combos. I think they should see a very tiny increase (1-2% at most, with the exception of month-locked combo bases which I think should see an even higher increase). I think this is partially why we saw such an upsurge in "clean lines" and "hard mode" popularity. Those both focus on a more challenging, RPG element rather than just... I don't know. I actually don't know what to call the average Lioden gameplay. Randomly mass breeding cats? I wonder if I'm more drawn to stats because that has a non-RNG goal, plus it also has the leaderboard draw. I'm not really worried about profiting off of my stat kings, I just want to challenge myself to try to beat my high score or others' high scores, essentially. I 10000% agree with what Marcie said, it's probably best to try to focus on fun rather than profit. Don't worry about your end result king being profitable. Get it because you like it and think it's cool. Events will make you plenty of GB to spend on the things you like. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 25/04/23 @ 16:05:40 by Thalath {Side} (#43831) |
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Strider (#14867)
Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 16:31:55 |
@ Marcie, this is roughly the gist of what I've heard, the waiting for month events. I'd be fine with this if this isn't what the core gameplay loop seems to have boiled down to. Most people I know tend to only log in for profitable months, and that's a fair way to play, but it just seems counter-intuitive and not a gameplay loop I'm looking for. What I mean in asking on this post is looking for something more proactive to do, less month waits and more weeks wait. Hell, I have a project for a lion that needs some February applicators, so I don't mind waiting for that, but... This is turning more into a gripe and me deviating off my question, oops. What I mean with this is: how do you pass your day to day Lioden stuff? I've been focusing on exploring, breeding my lionesses when they're in heat to see if I get any cubs I'll want to keep, but with that gameplay loop of just waiting, it seems extremely out of reach. By mentioning February (and I know there's other profitable items, I could buy and keep egg yolks to sell at a later date) it really just seems like I'll have to wait ten months to be anywhere near wanting to do anything I want in Lioden. I'm fine waiting on markings and personal projects, but is profit really that gated? Because if I shouldn't worry about breeding for profit, especially with how unlikely of a profit that is, is there no way to get anywhere in this game in which I'm not dedicated enough yet to know the profitable months? Is there a way for Lioden to even keep me around until February or any other high value month? I'm less worried on profit as a whole, moreso that I am having fun, it's just frustrating to be new at the game and not have that entry appeal because there isn't skill or effort put into getting money. It's just a matter of being at the right place at the right time, and if you're not, you might be waiting for months for it to even get to levels of profit that people who entered in those months got to join in. That's fine, if it weren't for the utter disparity and droughts between those months, if you're only looking for events to fund your gameplay. Long question short: is there no way to get to have more fun without waiting for the events to fund the fun? I'm having a little fun now, but am I just being impatient? Is there anything proactive I can do instead of passively wait at this time? 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 25/04/23 @ 16:34:54 by Strider (#14867) |
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*Opens Coat* Like Lycaons? (#393611)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 16:40:37 |
For me personally, when I first started I accidentally stumbled upon the Lycaon markings. The African Wild Dog is my all-time favorite animal, and I am absolutely obsessed with them. I get huge appeal breeding them, even if they don't carry 'value'. Muties with lycaon markings. I took a hiatus and realized I was trying to make money rather than get my own project going. I grind the events to get stuff to sell, then I used it to build the king I have and I'm working on buying a lycaon dwarfie from someone. It's not a mechanic for everyone and I totally get it. For me, I adore the game and my little project. It has grown now to where people are offering me private trades for lycaon muties and I'm so excited to have my own little passion project. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Marcie 🖤 [Project 7/15] (#148390)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 17:10:11 |
Every month has an event, they don’t all need to be super profitable. Next month for example, you can save up for some lion scrotums, you can also get some energy items. The month after that, June, you can get some really cool decors and apps. Julys mechanic is a little annoying but the decor and apps are really nice again even if they don’t make you rich instantly you can still sell, in august you can get some buffies, in September you can get GMOS and ochre gnawrocks (very valuable) in October you can get crunchies (very valuable) the December apps sell really well. See where I’m going? Every single month can get you profit. Every single month you can stock up on things, you don’t have to wait for the very best events to come around. You don’t automatically achieve your goals in other games, Lioden is the same way. If you get valuable lions, such as hybrids, RLCS etc you can profit off of them because unlike random breeding that has a low chance to of producing something godly there are items that are meant to help you achieve. Some people get lucky and breed twin hybrids in one litter, bam, they just made profit. Sometimes you won’t, and that’s just reality. What would the point of Lioden be if everything was able to be achieved instantly? Nobody would be making profit at all. You can make gb every single month by selling previous things you’ve bought from the month before. You can absolutely achieve your goals without waiting almost an entire year as long as they are not ridiculously expensive 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 25/04/23 @ 17:12:50 by Marcie 🧂 (#148390) |
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starling (#26317)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 17:56:07 |
as you've said, it's very subjective. i personally enjoy the gameplay loop of lioden more than that of other pet sims i've tried. it's definitely most engaging to me when i have a focused breeding project -- when you are looking for a specific outcome combination, the results of breedings have much more personal meaning and anticipation than random breedings for more nebulously 'good' or 'bad' cubs. if you want a lion with permanence, investing in breeding a specific king appearance might be worthwhile. my sidereal base king with 4x breed-only sidereal markings and dawn eyes was a long term project of mine (as an example), and this genetic combination can be cloned indefinitely to any heir replacement for free. with the canopic jellyfish item, any dead lion stored in your pride dynasty can be resurrected as a frozen lion at any time as well. as for exploring, there are a few months that can be outrageously profitable, but i think of those more as the exception than the norm, & it doesn't make other month events meaningless to me. i'd say they all have their niches and vast majority have high value items in higher tiers that you can wring something out of. for me, a lot of the fun is grinding out materials on a monthly basis that i can stockpile or exchange toward valuable stuff i want. for this event, i can pretty stably convert every 80 easter eggs (event currency from explore) to 2 golden beetles, and that's without putting in any effort to optimize my profit or anything - i'm sure there are people getting better deals. even regular explore has its pulls for me -- if you have a king at higher levels of impression, there is a slim chance that any NCL you claim comes with a cotton root bark mutation boost to them, or as a player-chased lioness with erased heritage. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Strider (#14867)
Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2023-04-25 22:24:22 |
@ Marcie, I'm not trying to make instant profit! I don't have something from last month to sell as I haven't been here last month, is my point. From the wording on your previous post and from what I'd seen, I had assumed it was the very few specific months you had to look for to get started anywhere. I wasn't aware of what is valuable in which month, so I had the point of view of the February example being really the major one. I'm genuinely just looking at this as a new player, not someone who knows the game and knows how to get what they want. That's my whole point of this post. I'm just looking for help and not intending on sounding like I'm complaining. I didn't know the game and how people got their funds in the first place. That's all! And I can have fun in my own way, but I felt like I was in an empty pool while watching other people in their's that's filled from only time, and assuming nobody was given a bucket to fill their's. I would've done the effort if I had a bucket, was my perspective. I know I have a bucket now, but I didn't know that until being told. I don't mind waiting a month. If event profits are that frequent, then I'm not as worried, but I was completely under the impression that that wasn't the case. I don't know what's valuable. I can look and see what is now by looking at the other events. It's just very hard to know where to start looking. That was my frustration. Thank you for helping, though. I wasn't sure how to look at the game for a while. I was looking for something to grind that didn't seem futile! And event currency is what I want to do now primarily, but I just seriously was not aware that most month events are notable. I thought they weren't. -- I do think I would enjoy the king breeding, seeing as I do want to try to have a higher stat king. I wasn't aware of the appearance passing down, and I do really want to go for that appearance focus eventually. Thank you everyone else who I haven't mentioned for the ideas on what to do- I have been looking into projects and choosing markings I want to look out for in the future. Apologies if I seemed unwilling to understand, I have been reading completely and simply have been trying to wrap my head around it. My main takeaway is find something you want to work towards (since I've set my goals low! Applicator markings lion first, then work up to breed markings, etc!). To get to this, the usual method for making money is grinding event currency, which I can do any month, not just specific ones like I'd assumed. Don't worry about valuable lions (unless I get to muties or something, but... far future, lol). I'll probably just keep on explorin' and getting event currency that way (on relevant months). Thanks, everyone.  0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 25/04/23 @ 22:32:53 by Strider (#14867) |
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