Posted by Clean Heritage - How far?

Buenó (#52045)


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2023-04-29 02:20:20


Hey all,
I've been on and off this game for years now haha and recently come back after a long hiatus. Clean lines are in and I'm trying to stick with it the best I can.

But one thing I'm stuck on is the heritage side of it...
Is it a personal preference thing?
Is there a general rule of thumb for x amount of generations?

I don't want to sell my lions as clean but find out there's inbreeding / two different generations have the same stud at different times.
Eg - My Stud was born from Bob and Brenda
Bianca I got from the Tree, their great-great grandmother, Barbie, is the grandaughter of Brenda and Bill.
If my stud bred with Bianca, would their line still be considered clean? The heritage pages would show no inbreeding because of no close relation.

I may be over thinking it, I'm just curious to know how it works so I don't trip myself up in the long run haha :D




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Edited on 29/04/23 @ 02:21:09 by Buenó (#52045)

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Shadow (Main) (#73284)

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2023-04-29 02:41:52
There is one thing i do have to say. You can have lions named the same thing but unless they are the same lion (when clicked on) then it won't show that there is a chance of inbreeding.


This down below is from a friend of mine.
The Difference Between Dirty and Inbred

Clean breeding means avoiding the most common stat king studs from back in the day: Moby Dick, Keyser Soze, HOT HOT TATER TOT, Boombah, The Savannah Prince, Meliodas, Indra and Slush (the last two are still rolling fairly regularly). These lions were very prolific had a RIDICULOUS amount of cubs, so thanks to that, their descendants are insanely common at this point. Any lion with ANY of those kings in their heritage tree would be considered dirty lions. A clean lion is one that is not related to any of those stat kings.

A lot of people say that inbred = dirty. This is not true. Inbred means that a lion has the inbreeding notice on the bottom of its heritage page. A non-inbred/not inbred lion is one that does NOT have this message. The confusion comes in because most of the dirty stat kings WERE also inbred. Once a lion is dirty or inbred, you can't get rid of it from its heritage, so if you like the idea of creating your own lines and avoiding inbreeding, clean breeding is 100% the way to go. It's a lot easier to avoid inbreeding if you avoid the dirty stat kings. It IS more of a challenge, but I personally find it to be a good challenge. Ignore anyone who says dirty = inbred. I highly recommend putting the list I typed above in your LD journal so you can reference it until you get more familiar with the names. And you will. If you look on the Leaderboards, you'll find that the vast majority of kings are related to Indra and other dirty kings because they had great stats.

One final note: Lions that are both clean and not inbred are often called "Squeaky Clean." Usually Squeaky Clean lions are also low gen, but they do not HAVE to be. They simply must not be dirty or inbred!

One more note - Ysdaar is often considered a dirty king by many (myself included), so be cautious about calling his cubs clean.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-04-29 02:35:11
Usually people consider "clean" lions when there's no inbreeding anywhere in the heritage. So even if it doesnt show on first page, or first few pages, the lion isnt "clean" if it was ever inbred anywhere.



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Buenó (#52045)


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2023-04-29 02:39:31
So to clarify, as it's still early for me haha, the lines are clean if the heritage doesn't say there was any inbreeding?

As the example I gave (if I worded it right), wouldn't show as inbreeding on the heritage page, but by going through a few pages you'd see the same brenda was used in both of the lions heritage. - Which is where I'm stuck haha :D



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-04-29 02:40:53
No - even if it doesnt say so on first page, if there's ever been inbreeding in heritage, the lion is dirty.
So your example, the lion is Dirty! Even if it doesnt say so on first page. Because there's been inbreeding further back in heritage.



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-04-29 02:57:28
Shadow is correct; also, both dirty and inbred terms are usually counted through All heritage, not just a number of pages.
So if ever inbred = forever inbred, even if first few pages dont show it; if dirty, forever dirty, even if the big four is not on first few pages.



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Edited on 29/04/23 @ 02:57:44 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Buenó (#52045)


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2023-04-29 03:01:53
Thank you both that does make more sense.

I think my example was badly written I've made an image that hopefully makes more sense? Sorry it's so big :(

I added the Purple Mochi to my cubs heritage to fit my example better.



So even though, both section of the heritages are clean - Mochi is used twice, (lets say it's definitely the same lion too) so Redpaw wouldn't be squeaky clean, but he would still be clean?



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-04-29 03:06:37
Personally - Id suggest simply not referring to lions as "clean" if you ever doubt. I see many people using "dirty" and "inbred" terms interchangeably, so you risk getting an upset customer if you refer to a lion as "clean" while it has inbreeding.

And inbreeding is usually counted everywhere in heritage, even if its on separate pages and doesnt give a note on the bottom of the page. There is no way to "breed it out"; once inbred, it and its cubs are forever inbred.



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Edited on 29/04/23 @ 03:09:21 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Buenó (#52045)


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2023-04-29 03:10:05
To be fair that's what sparked my question haha.

I was looking at a dwarf for sale and the heritage was clean but I saw the same names popping up in different sections and checked to see if they were the same lion, which they were, which then led me to wonder if that was still considered to be inbred / dirty even though the heritage was clean. But thanks for clearing up :D

If I sell lions I'll just sell them as is I think, save myself the confusion :D



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-04-29 03:14:12
If somebody calls a lion like that "clean" it may be the user's personal preference to call them that - what majority of users does not mean there isnt still a minority that thinks otherwise, some users might consider clean if first page is clean, and not care about other pages at all.
OR even a honest mistake, if they miss a name in heritage they might actually dont know their lion is inbred That's the minus of long heritages, sometimes when checking it you might miss a name and not notice inbreeding.



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Edited on 29/04/23 @ 03:18:57 by Mad Hyena (#29080)







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