Posted by -ADDED TO THE GAME-Change Gender to Sex [190+]

Pantheon (#127267)

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2023-05-19 20:53:37
On a lion's page, their sex is incorrectly labelled as gender.
Gender is not the same as sex, and when referring to physical attributes we refer to a creature's sex.

My proposed change would look like this:


Why is this such a big deal?



Well, everywhere else on the site, it says sex.



Not acknowledging that gender and sex are different is not only scientifically incorrect, it also makes the site less inclusive towards the LGBTQIA+ community, particularly trans folk.

Sex is a multidimensional biological construct based on anatomy, physiology, genetics, and hormones. (These components are sometimes referred to together as “sex traits.”) All animals (including humans) have a sex. As is common across health research communities, NIH usually categorizes sex as male or female, although variations do occur. These variations are called differences in sex development (DSD) or intersex conditions.

A person’s gender identity (e.g., woman, man, trans man, gender-diverse, nonbinary) is self-identified, may change throughout their life, and may or may not correspond to a society’s cultural expectations based on their biological sex traits. For example, a person with typical female (sex term) sex traits may or may not be a woman (gender identity). Although gender is often portrayed and understood in Western cultures using binary categories (man or woman) and is often assumed at birth based on a person’s sex traits, many cultures throughout history have recognized a diversity of forms of gender identity and gender expression (how a person communicates their gender to others through behavior and appearance).

Source, and some other reputable resources



So what would this change do?



✦ Changing it would make the site far more inclusive to trans people.

✦ Changing it would also make the language used on the site more comprehensible for people who do not speak English as a first or native language.

✦ This change would further enable people to be more creative when writing individual identities and lore for their lions.

✦ It would be more realistic and scientifically accurate.



Special thanks to @29080 and @48100 for bringing up valid points that I didn't notice, and a special thanks to my husband for helping me do research on this topic.



This suggestion has 200 supports and 41 NO supports.



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Edited on 09/09/23 @ 02:17:25 by cyn (#127267)

Pantheon (#127267)

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2023-05-21 21:29:05
@~sweet tea~ (#355201) - it would be useful. it would make the site more inclusive towards trans people. that is an important step and as you said, wouldn't change anything.



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peepy (#48100)

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2023-05-21 21:41:30
I support this! I'm not sure if anyone else has brought it up, but when searching for lions in the trade center, one of the filter options is labelled as sex. You're right that it being called "gender" on the lion's page is incongruous with the rest of the site.



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Edited on 21/05/23 @ 21:43:39 by peepy (#48100)

Pantheon (#127267)

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2023-05-21 21:43:30
@peepy - good eye!!! can I add it to the main post?



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peepy (#48100)

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2023-05-21 21:44:50
Sure!! I didn't notice that it was labelled differently on the lion's page, so you've got a good eye too



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Pantheon (#127267)

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2023-05-21 21:57:24
thank you!! I added it to the post with credit!



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Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-05-22 01:03:55
Yea, its definitely inconsistent with other parts of the site - check any beetle page, beetles also say Sex on their pages, not Gender - just like the Search! Further confusion for international players - one adoptable says Gender, another adoptable says Sex on their pages. Different words but the "sex" of beetles and lions function exactly the same, determining what sex-specific functions they can perform in the game.
It would be consistent if lion pages matched the term with the rest of the site! Im a huge fan of consistency. Consistency makes it professional.



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Edited on 22/05/23 @ 01:22:35 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

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2023-05-23 05:29:37
It'ssimple -i'll just support for the sake of it, I don't mind either way!



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jester [im autistic]
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2023-05-23 22:48:03
Honestly, just for the sake of consistency, I support. Everything else dealing with sex in the game lists "Sex", it's a bit weird that lion pages say gender. Since they did a stealth edit to the social media tab to include Youtube and Twitch, I don't see how doing this would be too much, and it's such a minor thing that wouldn't need any extensive coding, just a quick swapping of a word in already done HTML.



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2023-05-25 19:01:12
agree, don't really understand why you wouldn't agree, it just makes more sense



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2023-05-26 08:33:33
Support!! There's literally no reason not to support, it's an extremely easy change that doesn't require more coding or anything, it's just a super quick change of a word.



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Yami (#223496)

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2023-05-31 18:50:03
Support because why not! I don't care much either way but there's no reason (that I can think of) to not do it.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-06-13 16:03:57
I literally never noticed this lmao.

Beyond inconsistancy, yeah. Like, LD wears its LGBTQIA+ affiliations proudly. Go for it.

Otherwise, it just makes no sense to be the single instance on the site that uses gender not sex. I feel like it was just a coding oversight.

The fact that there are 29 people on this suggestion saying no is hilarious. It's a suggestion for a typo correction. "Not important to the site" dang lmao might wanna tell LD devs to stop doing like 70% of their updates then cuz a lot isn't 'important' compared to the recode.



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Edited on 13/06/23 @ 16:06:52 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

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2023-06-21 20:31:02
Was originally going to not support as I don't really see it as being too big of a deal regarding the lions in particular (since they could technically accurately use Gender if the lion was sex changed), but I will support mainly for consistency sake, whether they change it to Sex universally or Gender universally. Though, regarding animals (beetles and lions), it's probably more realistic to use Sex for them, so ye. Supporting! It would be cool.



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Edited on 21/06/23 @ 20:31:57 by Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

Pantheon (#127267)

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Posted on
2023-06-21 20:38:36
Changing it site-wide to gender would be scientifically inaccurate and potentially dismissive or harmful to the transgender community, as gender and sex are not the same.

"(since they could technically accurately use Gender if the lion was sex changed)" is simply not correct, because the sex is changing, not the gender.


However, thank you for the support!



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Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

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2023-06-21 20:41:57
Yh that's partially what I mean in the end with "Though, regarding animals (beetles and lions), it's probably more realistic to use Sex for them." Also np!



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