Yeah but, the key difference between what you're doing and what this suggestion is targetting is all you'd need to put is;

"All lions are up for offers until theyre 1y11m old."

You don't need to mention what happens to the lions after, whether thats keeping/killing/chasing/nature reserving/giving away - this suggestion explicitly targets those using it as a sales tactic, primarily in chat. I counted 5 instances of it in chat in under fifteen minutes after this post, to show how prevalent this is.

Perhaps it can be worded as such;

"You cannot threaten to kill/chase/nature reserve a lion in a Sales Chat Advertisement, Trade Name or Thread Title.

Examples of this include but aren't limited to;
"Killing if not sold."
"Will kill if no offers."

You are allowed to say that lions will be killed/chased/nature reserved by x date or age in the thread, but it must not be used as a sales tactic, only as information."

Edit: changed title to make it clear this rule change primarily targets CHAT and not forum posts/mentions of deadlines for offers etc.

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Full support it's annoying and just sugar coated begging in my opinion

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But how would people be able to make that information known in chats, then? If its purely for informative purposes, not for guilt-tripping?

I had personally encountered an opposite of the given examples. I did not write "will chase if not bought soon", somebody watched a trade. In a few days nobody offered still, so I cancelled the trade and chased the cub in question, few days and no offers so I assumed nobody wanted it. I never keep trades for more than 3 days if nobody offers.

But then I got a PM from the person who watched a trade, upset that the lion is gone. They wanted to offer, but didnt do it in a timely manner because they thought I will keep the lion for longer. They wanted to keep collecting SB until they had a bigger amount before offering; but if they knew the trade wont last for so long, they'd have offered sooner.

How to be in this case, then? If I dont have a forum topic, just a single trade Im selling? Would I not be allowed to mark deadlines for information purposes, to let people know trade wont last huge 30 days and lion will be chased much sooner if no offers are made?

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I refer you to this response already as Thalath had similar concerns.

There is no issue with deadlines being given, its the whole mention of what happens if deadlines not met.

I quote from the comment above, all you'd have to say is;

"All lions are up for offers until xyz date/age"

Its more the chat spam of "I'll kill this hybrid if not bought TODAY" or similar, that implies a negative action will occur - no one needs to know what you're going to do if offers aren't made by X time.

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Aye i agree, they usually pair this guilt tripping with overpricing. I don't like it at all. If you're "gonna kill" it just put it up for cheap so that players can actually buy it.

It should be a rule yes!

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Totally agree. I have volunteered at animal shelters and have came across many cases like these with people threatening to just dump their animals by the roadside just because they don't want to pay a mere $13 abandonment fee.

this is something that reflects a serious real-life situation and i completely support this suggestion!

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I completely agree Fivtrees, the UK rat society is currently dealing with a massive dumping case in the Dartmoor moors, dumped because someone couldn't sell them. We're now dealing with over 100 rats needing medical care, and parasite treatments and not to mention most are pregnant, so it's only going to get worse.

It really does set a precedent.

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That would not be the same as noting "will be chased in an hour"; not always people pay close attention to dates or ages of a lion, so I can see someone still being upset the deadline wasnt marked clearer, because they didnt notice the cub was already nearing that age mark etc.

Also, I still feel a plain "taking offers until X" is not enough emphasis on urgency? It doesnt underline that past that mark, there will be no lion to offer on. Oftentimes, people skim over such deadlines and think "ah, not a big deal Ill be late a bit, the lion will still be there". But it wont be there anymore, and you're purposing forbidding us from letting other people know they cant be late with their offers. That's why Im not sure I can support.

I know it can be frustrating when people only say they will "kill if not bought in an hour" and the trade is still up after a week. That is rather annoying, I agree. But what about when its actually urgent, and you cannot make a warning about it?..

I really, really, REALLY wish we could actually Decide how long our trade lasts. 30 days is a gigantic time that is too much for most sales. Ive been trying to add an expiring bit of meat to make trades end quicker, but that's really not a convenient way to do it.

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The fact that animal breeders treating animals as mere "products" is absolutely heartbreaking and inhumane, plus the fact that they companies and breeders dumping live animals into the landfill is completely legal makes this worse

I have seen videos of dumpster divers finding towers of live bettas in petco dumpsters in the US yet these large companies are never charged for animal cruelty and can still operate and continue their horrendous "economic activities"

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Its good to remember though that Lioden is still not real life. Many actions here arent exactly good in real life. You can safely advertise inbred cubs to underline they're cheaper for it, while in real life, it'd warrant a tide of perfectly justified anger towards you if you advertised inbred puppies or kittens, because in real life, its something really bad. So I dont agree with "its bad in real life" argument; many things common on Lioden are bad in real life. Lioden is a game, not life!

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The problem isn't labelling trades as need gone, it's the fact they use wording like that to guilt people into buying somethin at an overpriced rate.

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I completely agree regarding controlling trade times, and it's not convenient - especially when say some items can take months to sell.

It's hard to explain I suppose, I just want the spam to stop in chat primarily - Idc what you put in the trades description, or your thread, or anything like that. This suggestion is primarily to target chat only - the rule I proposed also only targets titles of threads/trades/chat ads, what you put in trade descriptions is your business.

You can put in the trade description something like "This trade will cancel in 3 days if no offers/autobuy."

You don't have to mention what happens AFTER the trade cancels, at least I personally wouldn't. I mean, I have a full celestial with ebony mane up for sale right now, I'm probably going to pull him and kill him, but I'm not spamming chat with it or his thread, I'm not making a big deal out of it, you know?

Again, within 15 minutes of this thread being posted, there were five different instances/variations of the "will kill if not bought right now" in chat.

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Sadly, the spam will always continue, even if such rule will be enforced. People will still find ways to push their advertisments in to be more visible. In another game - Neopets I think?.. - I remember there was that horrendous emoji overuse in sales, with people adding various emojis to their advertisments to make them more visible. I fear people will just find other ways to "flash" their sales, finding other places not covered by rules.

It needs a more gameplay solution, rather than simple ban of certain words. Im just not a fan of censorship. I like speaking freely without the fear a mod will slap me for using the wrong word. Its hard enough for us International players as it is, having to translate what we mean to say correctly. Any additional rules like this makes it harder.

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Scooting this over from another thread:
Supporting. Especially when there's users chatting about "killing x if it doesn't sell" in main, which isn't even the proper channel to discuss these things (it's up for sale - take it to SALES). And it is always used as PURELY a sale tactic - the amount of times I've seen it followed through with is... 0 unless it's already a rather low-value lion. It's commonly used for high value lions as you mentioned (leopons, DUs, etc) for purely guilt factor. I'm perfectly fine with people killing lions if they don't sell, even if it's a hybrid or whatever else. Everyone is more than welcome to! But I don't think it is fair to use as an attempted guilt trip that they won't even follow through with in hopes it will get them an easy sale. "Will kill today if not sold." Two weeks later, it's up again in a fresh trade as if they didn't already say they were going to kill it two weeks before. The only intention there is to invoke panic and guilt from someone trying to 'save' a rare mutation.

I would especially like there to be follow-through with not mentioning lions in main chat for sale this way, as it seems to be skirted around quite often by users who mention 'I hate my leopon I'm going to kill her.' You go to their den, the only lion they could possibly be referring to is up for sale with, no surprise, with 'killing if not sold' as the name of the trade. No matter how often the messages get flagged, the messages keep coming up every single day/every few days and it's quite annoying. Flagging has done nothing to stop it and it is quite frustrating.

I'd like to say none of this is against those who use it as a deadline/warning. There are plenty of folks who do it to purely give a fair warning and I respect that. I do really appreciate knowing if they're going to need space + the lion won't be around for long! But it's the way some users deliver it with the cheap sales tactic intentions (and never even do it) that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I do understand the concern about wording. I do like the alternative of saying 'up for offers until (date) or (time) firm.' I feel like this has been a 'few bad apples spoil the bunch' situation, but after so so many comments in main as seen above to draw attention to trades that already are based on invoking guilt + never are followed through, I would rather not see it at all than to see it repeatedly on the daily. :c I completely understand + respect those who say 'will chase if not sold' and follow through. But there are users who use this tactic to A: mention the sales in main without getting in trouble somehow to purely invoke panic/guilt and bring more attention to their trade and B: do not actually follow through and never had the intention to do so in the first place, and therefore are using it just to try to make people feel bad.
I agree that it shouldn't even need to be a thing - but the rules skirting with it is obnoxious at best and the intention of not following through is the same. ;~; Deadline or 'need gone by (date)' or 'need space today' would do just as much good as 'I'm going to kill this special lion if you don't purchase it.' Love the idea of that being allowed. Again this is not against everyone who makes these trades - I know there's many users who use it JUST as a head's up and follow through, and I appreciate them for that. But again, bad apples spoil the bunch. <3 (End word salad)

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Sounds good to me, support

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