Posted by Giving Tree Solutions: Triple Tree Cub Day

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-11-16 19:53:30
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Making Sub Males More Useful
Alter Stat Change to Giving Tree Cubs
New Event Title Ideas!
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Please Note: This suggestion is not about potato cubs.
It is about a community activity which has been impacted by bloat: Cub Drops. Future mention of potato cubs will result in being re-directed to this text. Additionally, comments about "Giveaway Chat" will be responded to the same. Cub Drops are announced, and treated like a community game. They are not the same.


✪ Summary:

In the past, when Lioden had a population less than half its current size, the Giving Tree was healthier. It went through bouts of having a lot of cubs, to having almost none. However, several factors have contributed to this bloat growing rapidly out of control.

May Adol Claiming
Vkai's male adol claiming is the only way to get a G1 king, and that's great! ... But the down side, is that it leads to a ton of bloat in the tree. Every single May, the tree's male adol numbers bloat out of control, meaning anyone wanting to tree nice male adols is SOL.

Breeding Challenges
Further compounding May's issue is the Mohawk Breeding Challenge. Every single dud cub donated to the tree contributes to male and female cub bloat as well. But this isn't even limited to only May. December also features a breeding challenge, another time of the year the tree sees insane bloat.

Growing Population
Lioden's growing population isn't a bad thing. It's awesome that we've more than doubled our population! However, certain features were not equipped to withstand this sudden boom in growth. While tree bloat used to primarily be limited to May and during breeding challenges, now, it's a year round problem.

Because for every 1 cub a player takes from the tree, players can dump as many as they want.

As of 11.16.2023, the tree looks like this. And it almost always looks like this.



✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] An Automated Weekly Tree Event
This event would occur once per week and would run all day. During this day, players will be able to claim up to 3 cubs or adols from the Giving Tree per account. Players with "Fatherly" personality would be able to claim up to 5 cubs per day from the tree on the account with "Fatherly".

This event could be coded into the system, with an alert that is automatically included in the Daily Rollover Summary. Alternatively, a banner could be included, either at the top of the Crossroads page, or at the top of the Giving Tree page.

It is my hope that such an event may not only help with the Giving Tree bloat, but restore an old event that players loved but cannot easily host anymore: Giving Tree Cub Drops.

Thanks for reading.

Data Samples
7-Day Tree Observations: Starting on 11.28.2023


Pertinent due to the Albino Breeding Challenge
Update: December 26th, 2023 Tree Status

Update: December 28th, 2023 Tree Status


Important Update: January 12th - Sub Male Treasure Hunt
Big ups to the dev team for coming up with a solution that's both improved sub male usefulness, and also helped clear the male adols out of the tree! However, male and female cub bloat still remains. Still, I won't knock how much this helped!

I do *not* want Treasure Hunting to be year-round, but I'm glad they introduced it.


Tree Population Drop - Partial.
Update: March 14th, 2024 Tree Status

Status is still not ideal, but it seems to be recovering slightly. These conditions are not sustainable for community tree drops, and overwhelmingly, the bloat in the tree seems to always dip in evening and raise by 1/3 or more during the day. Snapshot taken around midnight. We can expect to see male numbers shoot up in May. Will monitor through the year.

Tree Population Rise - Total.
Update: March 21st, 2024 Tree Status

Tree status has once more climbed, with the previous dip in female cubs being moot.

Tree Population Drop - Total.
Update: July 2024 Tree Status

Tree numbers completely dropped during this event for the first time in a very long time. We're back to pre-population boom numbers, but this is expected to bloat again.

Tree Population Rise - Partial.
Update: August 2024 Tree Status

Tree numbers have climbed, with male cubs returning to pre-July numbers. However, thankfully, against previous predictions, female cubs seem to be less cluttered. Will report again in September to see if it holds.


If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 233 supports and 14 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/08/24 @ 10:30:15 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-12-10 22:01:20
When the tree was empty, people could do cub drops. If they do now, cub just risks being deleted.

yes, i prefer there being cubs in the tree also. however, im a quality over quantity person, and if i could guarantee that some people get good cubs, why wouldnt i want that?

i also think that some might be over-estimating how much this takes out of tree vs how quickly it will fill back up.



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2023-12-28 23:00:08
This feels unnecessary to me. Yes there are a lot of “potatoes” in the tree but I do not feel that what you are proposing will change that. The cubs get deleted after three days in the tree anyways. I also don’t understand why having so many cubs in the tree is a bad thing? All in all, I’d personally rather see the game makers time put into other things.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-12-28 23:03:01
If you read the post, I do not mention that getting potatoes is a bad thing.

I am specifically talking about the bloat in the sense that it makes treeing lions you want to go to other homes a crapshoot, and that people aren't able to do mutie / rare lion drops easily anymore.

Please do not presume this is about potatoes. I don't mind getting potatoes. This is about a core game function being impacted.



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2023-12-28 23:06:19
From my personal experience, when people want to giveaway nice cubs, they usually use the giveaway chat function. This is also what I do. I still believe it to be an unnecessary addition to the game but good luck to you!



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-12-28 23:42:55
Thank you.



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2023-12-30 06:42:19
Currently I never abandon cubs anymore. I have the territory to support raising them to adulthood, so if I want those lions to have a better chance at popping up for someone else I'll take the 50/50 odds for being a chased NCL lol. 1:4000 odds is ass if I want someone to get my lion.

As an older player, I've taken cubs from the tree probably 5 times in 2023. I just... don't care to, haha. I'd guess there are tons of players who have breeding projects and don't take from the tree, players that won't take cubs even on a day where they get to take more than usual. Or they'll put them back in the tree, or maybe chase them if they're bad :p

I don't believe a triple-cub day is going to completely, consistently clear out the tree. Truly. Well, maybe the first few weeks or maybe months after implementation when people are like "ooh shiny new feature". But it'll fill back up again lmao. If it does end up causing the tree to be too empty, they could code the tree to not delete cubs for 7 days instead of 3, so that every cub deposited gets a full week's time to filter into someone's pride.



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Edited on 30/12/23 @ 06:46:59 by Bandit Gambit [G1, Project] (#98263)

[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-12-30 11:44:54
Bandit Gambit [G1, Project] (#98263) :: This is also currently what I do with my cubs. Duds get chased young, but I have a lot of pretty lions I love sending out into the wild, and one of my favorite activities used to be mass-dumping colourful low gen noctises, ebonies and rosettes in the tree for people to grab up. But chasing them feels like they get a better chance than the tree, you're absolutely right.

The problem, is that I'm an aesthetic lineage curator. And chasing wipes lineage. I also have no way to see if they made it. I really feel like an enjoyable part of my day to day in LD has vanished.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2024-01-16 19:33:47
Important Update: January 12th - Sub Male Treasure Hunt
Big ups to the dev team for coming up with a solution that's both improved sub male usefulness, and also helped clear the male adols out of the tree! However, male and female cub bloat still remains. Still, I won't knock how much this helped!

I do *not* want Treasure Hunting to be year-round, but I'm glad they introduced it.



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Edited on 16/01/24 @ 19:34:15 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)







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