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 ⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2024-01-28 02:47:22 |
 WATCH OUT FOR SCAMS GUIDE
 29 players like this post! Like? Edited on 21/06/24 @ 21:04:27 by ⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464) |
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Dummyjol (#368025)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-03 14:04:07 |
also wandering/traveling lionesses! Its so hard to verify wether or not the lioness will get stolen, and its all based on trust. Unfortunately its so hard to moderate a traveling lioness that I wish that they would implement the role into lioden like they did with wolvden so there's a safer way to play it. I really enjoy adding lore and decor and creating a story with other players!  unfortunately I've had a few lionesses get stolen :( 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Skyvole (#427775)
Aztec Knight View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-05 14:34:47 |
Yeah... I had a traveling lioness run on someone else's account and it terrified me, I did get the lioness back, just they forgot to feed her. Also if you join the travelers guid to lioden clan it is less likely that your going to lose your lioness. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Fazbear Pride (#138983)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-09 17:37:55 |
I'm glad I saw the Reverse Breeding section as I haven't considered that regarding split heats. I haven't encountered the issue thus far with past split heats, thankfully, but I now have the rule updated to split heats being done traditionally. Better to potentially lose a few  on the stud fee if they don't give it back than to end up selling a full litter at the price of a split litter ^^; 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-13 15:03:58 |
i would suggest adding to the forum about unachieveable event currency amounts with some data [so reference of how much it would cost in reality and how unachieveable it is]. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-13 15:22:39 |
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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-16 18:21:19 |
Promised transactions are protected by the CoC as long as there's proof of a mutual verbal agreement. 1.26 Do not scam players A.) We have a strict anti-scamming policy. If you conduct a sale, raffle, or any other transaction that involves the verbal agreement of two (or more, including yourself) players on the game without using the game's in-built systems and you fail to hold up your side of the deal to the letter of your terms, you may have the entire transaction forcibly reversed by moderators. You may also be permanently banned from the site. B.) Some transactions may have unenforceable terms and will not be protected under this rule. -----> This is my take on it: they mean TC trades and branch sales since it's a valid transaction. If you overpay/underpay or sell that's on you. The staff can't undo the transaction. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-16 18:27:30 |
Hello! Thank you for your comment! But ALOT of promise transactions are not protected, here’s a ticket I had asked for a rule clarification This was asking about exactly what promise transactions are protected and if reverse breeding is. — This is just saying that having a verbal agreement onsite will GREATLY increase your chance of having it refunded, but it’s not guaranteed. - but there’s a lot more promise transactions as just trades. But yes a lot of things may possibly be refunded/reversed but not a lot 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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🗡️ LunarKnight (#151072)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-16 18:35:06 |
Ah ok. Thanks for the insight. I think they need to update the CoC to make things more clear. Either that or figure out how to crack down on verbal agreement scams more. The less chances folks have of scamming the less likely they'll attempt it. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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⚜️ Zuri ⚜️ (#247464)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-16 18:38:28 |
I couldn’t agree more! Coc needs a update to clarify a lot of things 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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QUITTING (#426011)
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Skyvole (#427775)
Aztec Knight View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-02-19 19:32:17 |
I wish I found this ealier than being scammed out of a leopen a month after starting this account. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 19/02/24 @ 19:32:35 by Skyvole (#427775) |
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☆ chork's side ☆| g1 primal (#274804) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-22 08:42:33 |
this is very helpful, and i agree with everything you said! i'd like to point out that many LF trades include sb for gb trades, with the conversion rate to be wildly different from what you see in the oasis gold beetle sales. some players who don't know better or don't know about the gb sales system might buy out a trade for 1 gb and only get 600 sb for it, while in the gb sales page they would have received 900-1000 sb for it, for example. even the reverse may happen, where a trade offers 1 gb and sets the buyout price to be way higher than the current sb exchange rate, such as a trade titled '1 GB for 1800 SB'. 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 22/03/24 @ 08:49:57 by ☆ chork's side ☆| g1 primal (#274804) |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-02 06:41:20 |
a scam we saw during this feb was a couple of cases of the following: user would ask to breed to a lion, or were offered unlimited barked heats until a clone/hybrid/whatever popped up. owner would agree, breed the lion with the items while the user was offline. owner would then steal one of the cubs, for example a g1 tigon, or clone, and send it to a side account and FAKE asking for a heat afterwards via that account. They'd then send the user the only cubs remaining, and more often than not the user would know they stole because they used a buffy or they've checked the IDs of the cubs recently born. The user would often get it back, but only if they could prove the owner didn't have their permission. This keeps happening more often i've noticed, and if it's not already on here; it should be. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Mordecai (#43446)
Harbinger View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-02 15:54:54 |
So I just wanted to add my .02$ about the art scam section. I know this is probably a "generality" and is probably a safer way to (hopefully) not get scammed for the buyer, but not so much for the artist. As an artist that won't even start on a sketch until I receive payment, I felt like I had to say something about the "don't send payment until you see a sketch," bit. There's a lot of artists, like myself, who don't start on commissions (even sketches) until we've received payment due to being scammed in the past. I've even encouraged, and will continue to encourage, artists not to do any work until they've received payment, because I frankly don't think it's safe for the artist. Especially for younger or less experienced artists, because they can get so excited to just get a commission that they're happy to do the work first-- and then end up getting scammed. People can decide that they just don't want to pay anymore, and there's not a lot you can do. Even if it's only a sketch, and it's watermarked, people can still use that sketch (there are unfortunately ways) and simply not pay you. "Oh I don't have the money anymore," or just ignore/block. Sometimes there might be something you can do, but a lot of the time you're just screwed out of your work. Watermarks I feel don't really deter anyone from stealing, unless it's an already finished piece; and sometimes not even then. In my experience, the best thing you could do is show a resized (much smaller) and watermarked version, where it would be hard to steal; but even then (especially if it's just a sketch) there are ways to steal it anyway. Unfortunately, if someone is determined to steal, people can be very creative about it; that's why I think it's best, for an artist's own protection, to never start anything until they've been paid. Anyway, I say all of this basically to say, as an artist, I feel like I just can't agree with the "don't buy from someone who isn't willing to show you a sketch first," because there's a lot of us who won't do that. I do confirmation sketches, but I still don't offer those until I've received payment because even sketches can be a lot of work to do-- just to have someone potentially back out/steal, after I've dedicated sometimes hours into just the sketch. If you don't want to pay for the full thing until you see a sketch, I think asking about half payment is a smart thing to do. Half now, and the rest after the sketch is done and you're satisfied; once the the sketch is okay'd (and all of the money has been received), then the artist finishes the commission. For buyers, I think doing some research into who you're commissioning is usually the best method into protecting yourself. What's their reputation? Do they have other places where they share/post their art that I can look into, etc. I'm not saying it's necessary for an artist to have these things, only that it's a good idea to look into them if you're particularly paranoid as the buyer of being scammed. If you find a good artist who has a good track record and reputation of getting their commissions done always, and in a timely manner, you're much less likely to be scammed. Finding ways to keep into communication is also a good idea; like discord, so if anything happens to, say, the artist's internet, or Lioden, they can (usually) still access discord (or whatever site/app) to keep you up to date. I feel like on Lioden if an artist tried to scam, you could get help from the site mods to get your GB/SB/items/whatever back, and on paypal (or other such services) you can issue chargebacks and/or contact the service to explain your side/get your money back if the artist has gone MIA. I know these things can be a headache-- and I definitely do recommend getting some sort of verification of the person's paypal/email so that you have a connection to the person; this is recommended for both artist AND buyer. I've been on both sides, and so long as I can prove that this person is related to these commission related messages, you can get your money back. That's why I think it's important to have commissioners tell me what their e-mail is, or say in their paypal payment who they are; that way if anything goes wrong, I can connect them. And visa versa for buyers. Anyway, I'm sorry to drop you a novel and I certainly hope this doesn't come across poorly (because I certainly don't mean it that way) I just wanted to share my opinion mainly because I don't want people to think that artists that won't show you a sketch first are untrustworthy-- on many other sites, this is standard practice that money is received first before you get to see anything. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ricky/Infinightive (#177615)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-02 22:04:36 |
I didn't read the full thing, but most artists ask for half payment until the sketch is done and they begin the lineart, then receive the oteht half once their done. So not giving any form of payment beforehand doesn't make much sende considering most of the art threads here require 50% up front. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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