Yes, generally, but it depends on the player's personal goal and where they're at with their pride- i'd say rosettes are always a nice bonus, if they flow nicely with the design, but right now i'd take a project marking over a random rosette on my keepers and rosettes don't really do great for adding value unless you get lucky with a BO/Combo base.

Rosettes+ BO Combo Base:


A rosette may be the difference between someone buying a cute cub as an heir or not, still, but it alone won't be enough for purchase any more (it needs to be paired with other desired traits).


This may be a supply issue?
These lions may exist, but aren't active or aren't suiting the personal tastes of whomever is looking?

I personally value other BO traits higher than rosettes at the moment- so, if i'm using a Gnaw on a high-value lioness, i'm going to look for a BO Mane too and other Tier 2 / Tier 3 July/Aug markings, not just go for an app-based multi-rose with a few app marks unless it's not app rather BO-based, target Combo base compliant, and/or it has a BO Special/Combo base that I don't already have kinged and is the only choice. I don't like using Ochre Saltlicks unless absolutely necessary or until the last stage where i'm breeding my target trait lionesses back to my target mane Special BO base, as I usually need more Gnaws at this stage anyway due to where i'm at project wise.
So i'd actually go for a full BO non-RLC (especially with a Special BO base) with a BO mane color I don't mind or a 2 or 3 rosette with at least one of my target BO markings and other slots blank over a full marked rosette with app mane
Unless it's the only BO Combo Base with any rosettes & I need it for a multi-gnaw'd attempt.

To elaborate on that personal stance, i'm right now doing a sort of
Highest BO > Lower BO mane Rosette ( where project target marking compatibility and overall aesthetic of possible combinations is ranked above overall BO count ; this is where it breaks down ) > Lower BO rosette, usually as low as I need to go because there are at least a few 1-2 BO trait plus rosette studs out there & I end up never needing to go for the app rosette.
(This is because I already have a multi-rosette BO Special base, with BO mane color/type, and am targeting the 'new' (well, new compared to when I bred multi-rose special xD) Tier 2 marking colors to add in to my design. <3
If I didn't, i'd still be in the market for a good as I can get stack on a BO base.)
If there were a bunch of high BO project compatible studs, and I had a choice where one had more rosettes and one had more Tier 2 markings in slots that would work with my designs, i'd probably alternate which one i'd be going for based on if I need more marking breeders (regular lionesses) or more multi rosette (hybrids) in Gnaw season- but there usually aren't, or they aren't active when I need them so I can't use them regularly. ^^'
At this stage I start thinking about making my 'fail' cubs more useable, instead of 'but what if I get a Tri Rose proj mark' since i'm not breeding for the base with those lionesses yet so I don't need to use my gnaws yet.
I may be vocalizing a 'eh nothing special' sort of response that others come to while clicking through possible studs, but essentially if nothing catches the eye/interesting or desirable they're not gonna send a request (even if you try to convince them that the app traits are special with fancy advertising techniques). While the design may look good, if there are any other options they may go for something else instead.
(It's usually pretty 'easy' or 'easier' to breed another app-mane multi-rose as the low-BO marked BO-mane are pretty regularly available now, and solo rosettes aren't selling for hardly anything, so they won't be too tempting as heirs for players and also won't really sell well as breeders if I can't keep them- unless they happen to perfectly match someone's desired aesthetic . I won't be using items on a breeding that is most likely to result in giveaway-only cubs unless that was my intention for those cubs all along. )
So to me it feels like a supply issue since of course i'd of course go for those.. but there aren't any active. Or, at least not ones that come up with the traits I normally look for..

The only time I use a multiple rosette app mane etc is if I can't find anything else that might work for my project, or it has something else i'm targeting and there are no others with that trait active.
I've actually done non-proj breedings rather than potentially decrease the value/worth of the line.

I have the fully BO mane on my target base so it shouldn't be that important, especially with September coming up- so Ochre Saltlicks will be back in season & There will be more opportunity for app-maned to pair nicely with fully BO gals- , but in the 'off season' I like to maintain BO traits just in case I get lucky without using my normal item stacks.
Just one opinion but i've noticed myself going for BO above rosettes so thought i'd share an opinion for a decent-mid range lionesses hoard.

App traits can be purchased if desired, rosettes are 'hard' to pass but can be forced with items that are more expensive than a basic 'fail' cub would sell for or reasonably expected to pass on common-rare bases naturally in mass breeding rounds,
so it feels like as the BO options are increasing players are more likely to value those traits above the now-common not-worth-how-much-it-costs-to-breed-them 'basic' rosettes... so they're desired, but other things are desired more- unless, again, it's paired with some other trait that's hard to come by.

Just one viewpoint, they're "necessary" for some (will not buy/King without it) and sort of desired for others, easy to 'slap on' a planned-base-changer design later but (can be) expensive to breed on a Special BO Combo Base so other things are sometimes desired more depending on personal goals and aesthetic vision, studs will have to have some other BO trait or overall vibe/design/color scheme to make it 'worth it' that the player is looking for and to compete if there are other similar active options and popularity will rise and fall with either combo base attempts or personal project/desires/time of year- so, 'yes sorta but' xD is my official answer?
It's taking me so long to breed back bo markings that I might be a little out of touch though, poor rng has made my views rather strict/annoying to read ("I just want pretty lions!" but also if I can apply the look I am not motivated to 'buy' it or breed it because I can have it any time I want so why spend time/resources unless Ahhh yes I must have this now) and I only really keep 'rosette but nothing else' if it's a rare slot so I haven't bred for app traits in years (I can apply it at 'any time' depending on availability, so I don't personally see a need to breed to pass applicable traits even Cherry markings (my favvv) any more because I can just apply them with piety. )
Hence you get a lot of players struggling along with their shiny next proj kings and RMA projects who burn out off-season so they're not around to even see if their budding design was popular or waited for (in the case of semi-private and private studs) or actually realize their Fully Unique Never Gonna Be Public who may have low marking count or not be 'finished' but every trait they're keeping is BO
and don't allow themselves to be happy with a 'but I can have that any time' design because they'd lose motivation to play/call it good there, so they're leading themselves along with the bo only while constantly battling randomization eh why bother xD / rng suuuucks / why am I doing this, next X item month is too far away so i'll just hibernate, came too far can't give up now, and may just find other passtimes more relaxing/nicer in their free time so they're not around to speak up or engage with the community market.

A few years back, I was breeding for Cherry markings when Piety was too far away, though, because I didn't want to wait until then to get the mark back on my BO base! :D
But now i'd rather have Tier 2 pass in that slot than get a Cherry app marking on a project cub, so I avoid my fav apps unless base-change for combo until i'm at end-point or given up.
There's enough design ideas even using apps to keep most players occupied and happily entertained for a time but they might lack motivation to play after they're satisfied with their gals or be applying those designs instead of breeding for them.

So it really just depends on what stage/step they want to buy in to, where the players' at with their pride and desired color scheme.

happy to see others in this watering hole thread.

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Personally, I don't like more than 2, maybe 3 rosettes top on a stud UNLESS I am breeding to him because he also has a marking I need for a project... and thus, would rather he pass no markings besides it, to give the female's project marks a chance to roll. Stud's markings roll first, and rosettes usually roll a 'nope, do not pass,' so opposite-world logic rules the day when it's time to pick a stud for a project mating. Otherwise, no, I am not interested in a stud with more than a few rosettes. A stud with a few rosettes gives you a chance of a passed rosette as well as other markings. A stud that is mostly rosettes is, for anyone other than a hardcore rosette breeder, an expensive way to get a potato.

Creating a lion with tons of rosettes is absolutely an accomplishment, and an expensive one to achieve whether it's done via breeding or RMA, but it's not where I like to spend my money. My projects also focus on custom BO (and RMA exclusive) designs, so while I often keep a cub that's got a rosette if it works with a design and I have space, I very rarely am actually looking for studs with them nor trying to breed for them.

That said, 1 or 2 rosettes on a king does seem to increase how often they get studded- at least based on my experience- so they're not a bad thing to have on a heir or include as a project goal at all (plus, it seems lions with rosettes throw more random ones, and the random ones are fun surprises). I would just avoid many more, as that's when you stop getting stud requests from people who are not in it just for rosettes. A king with a balance of rosettes and other BO traits is the most appealing IMO. And the rosettes should look good with the rest of the marks, if you ask me- a lot of rosettes can get so cluttered looking.

Neither of my projects are anywhere near done, so for the time being I have kings with 5 or less BO traits, though, and I've noticed that a rosette on a king that otherwise has mostly applicator markings, that one rosette increases how many studs he gets, so perhaps a good rule of thumb is a few rosettes are a safe bet for a stud design that sells, but more is a gamble.

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Thank you for the detailed answers! Very informative.

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Rosettes can add value or decrease it. I'd say find a consumer base and join some groups for it first.

I won't stud to rosette bombs, for example, because the chance I'll get a markingless potato is too high to justify the usual stud prices. So folks who want markings may pass you over. Aesthetics breeders sometimes also regard more than one or two rosette or similar top coat marking (ie patterns such as margay, nimravus, quagga, etc) as 'cluttered' and refuse to stud for that reason.

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