Posted by [DISCUSSION] Borderline Begging on the TC

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2024-09-03 17:06:49
Is anyone else sick of these "1sb to [expensive thing]" trades clogging up the TC? I've blocked so many people doing it and I feel like it shouldn't be allowed. These are almost always from the 300k - 400k plus crowd, though I've definitely caught 200ks and even 5-Digit ID players doing it too. It's annoying and emblematic of the issue wracking newer accounts and LD in general: they don't want to build.

Lioden is a game about patience and investing time, energy, and sometimes IRL money in order to reach some sort of goal, even if that goal is something as simple as "I want pretty lions to dress up". You have to acquire the pretty lions. You have to acquire the decor to dress them up. People are not just going to give you these things in most cases.

Yet that's essentially what these trades are. Users offer 1sb or something of next to no value and explicitly ask for something equal or, preferably, better in value. To put that into perspective, it's like offering 1 penny and hoping for a nickel, then getting the nickle hoping for a dime. It's rather hilariousy audacious to knowingly under offer. Back in the day, lowballing was something you actively did (and often got blocked for) rather than wait around for someone to take a bad trade, but many newer players can't even be arsed to do that.

It isn't technically against the rules, but come on. There isn't a ton of difference between begging for stuff in mainchat and trading 1sb or an aloe leaf or something that wont even sell at Monkey Business and explicitly asking for something of more value. They call it a "challenge" but that's just a cloak for what it really is: begging with extra steps.



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Edited on 03/09/24 @ 17:08:00 by JAX • 3.12.21 12/15 | 14/15 BO (#98288)

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2024-09-03 17:21:06
Read through this then saw an ad for this exactly. The problem I have with it is when users make multiple of these trades which to that point is just exploiting other people's charity (I guess?).

I can understand new players doing it out of curiosity on what they can get



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2024-09-03 17:24:10
Never mind this isn't a discussion.



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Edited on 03/09/24 @ 17:51:29 by ☆miach | the mutie slayer (#4486)


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2024-09-03 17:25:12
yea, these were okay until they started flooding tc, you used to get the occasional ones here and there from newer players with a gb to spare and it didnt fuss anyone tbh

sometimes you can understand players doing these out of genuine curiosity but its the players who make MULTIPLE of these trades at once, and if you watch they dont ever go through with them and offer until they get something good and then keep it. I know people who have done it personally and it just feels like using and exploiting other users and its just not great



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JAX •
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2024-09-03 17:35:25
"I've fiddled with the challenge before- but I always note I want EQUAL trades and do not expect a higher offer. I abandon the project quickly, because of those that explicitly expect higher offers. It drowned out the fair aspect I wanted.

I do agree if you go in ONLY expecting to get higher offers, it is basically begging. But if you came into it, mostly just to trade around to see what you end up with, that's fun."

Of course you only want higher trades lol. If your goal is to get to an expensive thing, equal offers gets you nowhere.



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2024-09-03 17:47:00
Never mind this isn't a discussion.



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Edited on 03/09/24 @ 17:51:23 by ☆miach | the mutie slayer (#4486)

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2024-09-03 17:49:12
But what can you trade 1sb around into?

Precisely. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about players who want value for next to nothing.



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Edited on 03/09/24 @ 17:56:09 by JAX • 3.12.21 12/15 | 14/15 BO (#98288)

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2024-09-03 17:52:11
Micah was taking about 1gb to something I believe. Though I agree there's not much you can trade 1 SB for. 1gb to something seems less extreme as people actually might want some gb



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JAX •
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2024-09-03 17:55:08
1gb is a world apart from 1sb.

Anyone can get 1sb. You go to explore, click the paw until 0 energy and you can get that. It requires no skill, no effort, no investment.

1gb is 800 - 1200sb. There's plenty you can do with 800sb - 1200sb. These are not comparable scenarios and not what I was taking issue with in my original post.



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2024-09-06 10:51:05
It does get ridiculous, each time I come on and see it, it’s even worse when it comes to your own trades and see people posting the 1sb to whatever put an offer on your trade and it’s just explore items and a few herbs or smth, I get some people do it to be curious or whatever but some do so many at once and get mad when it doesn’t work or they get offered what their trades worth (despite low balling on peoples trades themselves)



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2024-09-06 10:53:21
This has already been a huge discussion in the past, lioden devs covered it and came up with the solution to hide the trades you don't want to see! It is technically allowed, even if it's questionable at times



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2024-09-06 10:55:33
Ohhh ty for saying! I’ll have to look into it!!



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2024-09-12 03:03:12
I have to agree with this. 1SB challenge trades don't seem much different from asking for free handouts to me .

Unfortunately, there seems to be so many of these that despite hiding all trades from the players who are doing these, they still pop up on TC for me quite often.



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Edited on 12/09/24 @ 03:06:17 by Nameko (Haze RLC) (#214770)

JAX •
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2024-09-12 08:34:39
And 90% of them are from new players. It's very annoying.



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