Posted by Boosted Combo Pass Rate for Combo x Combo [450+]

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2024-10-13 17:16:27

What?

Just think about it. You put effort into getting that combo lady, and making her pass her base is still the same as any old regular factor breeding. Yeah, that's not fun.

We don't have an approximate number of the combo base breeding rate, but it's not that big. Like, REALLY not that big.

This just makes kinging combo bases, which is what a lot of people (like me) like to do, unnecessary for combo breeding because they work just the same as any regular old factor king. Sure, the glory is there when you king a combo base, but if he doesn't have a mutation or tons of markings, he's practically worthless compared to other factor kings with rosettes, mutations, etc.

Take my constellation lady, ๐“๐“ท๐“ญ๐“ป๐“ธ๐“ถ๐“ฎ๐“ญ๐“ช


She just gave me a constellation 4 days ago, on her third heat. I have another constellation as well, and she has yet to give me a constellation. I've heard from a lot of people that their combo ladies don't even pass during their entire lifetime. Does this seem fair for people who are combo base breeders, and the effort they put into that just goes to waste when they barely pass? Not ideal You aren't going to feel nice if your MONTH-LOCKED combo base doesn't pass in her entire lifetime, and now you have to wait til that month comes again!

Let's look at another one of my examples. My mudpie lady, She will turn you to mudstone.


I got very lucky and scored a mudstone with a piebald. She's gone through 6 heats, and only has 2 left. She has not given me a mudstone, let alone anything good. I was surprised with her as she was the first combo I ever bred, and she had a mutation. Even though I didn't put that much effort for her, it still doesn't make me feel good that she probably will pass away without giving a mudstone.

Hey, it's me! 11/23/2024 Thoth! This girl above just birthed her last litter. Guess what! NO MUDSTONE! I'm just cheery. This is what I'm on about in this ENTIRE post. It was so exciting to breed her and now I'm mad that her entire life she didn't give me a good cub. I'm not saying this shouldn't happen but if it's happening to tons of combo girls, it's a problem.

I could go on forever with examples, but another one, just to show the effort.


This is Blackky, a tree cub I got and loved so much, I decided to keep. Oh, how many times I wanted to chase her after not giving me a soul baby. I didn't, and on her 2nd last heat, she gave me one. I've had her since she was almost an adult. That's almost 150 real life days. Imagine waiting that long for something that isn't even guaranteed. That is effort.

Here's ๐‘จ๐’—๐’Š๐’“๐’‚. The soul I got from her.


I want to know how someone doesn't think that level of patience and effort is crazy. I don't even know if she will give me a soul in her lifetime, but it would be a miracle if she did. Sorry for all the examples, but I think this would be the best way to showcase how much we need an added boost for combo x combo breeding.

What's worse is the market. Like I just explained in several ways (lol) it takes a lot of effort. A person in comments had been trying for Qahir since late 2022, they got one last week (as of now). If you have checked combo base market, you'll see hell. I bred a styx one time and tried to sell her, no one would buy her at even 1 gb. Lion market is already crashing, and combo value is dying. What's the point of breeding them if they're not worth anything when the bases get old???

You might be saying this will only make their value worse, but that's not entirely true. It's already going down, so it's basically inevitable. If we can't sell it, we can keep it. Most people like to keep combos they breed unless they're super new. Like aether, a lot of people want it because it was super new, the first one was sold for I think over 400 gb. What's the point of keeping it if it probably won't even pass in it's entire lifetime.

I hope you do support, as I find this as a topic that should have been implemented sooner, please ask questions if you like! Thank you!



This suggestion has 476 supports and 13 NO supports.



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Edited on 23/11/24 @ 12:46:00 by ๐‘ป๐’‰๐’๐’•๐’‰๐Ÿ–คZombie DR๐Ÿ–ค DIVA๐Ÿ’œ (#230702)

Astraea (#418426)

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2024-10-18 19:43:59
This. So much this.

I've had one Pulsar in the last two years despite heavy breeding in July. And she never passed it. It took heavy amounts of grinding for 2 Constellation girls this July (like 2 out of 30+ breedings) and neither have passed the base yet either. And no luck with Witch or Temporal this month either.

Speaking of impossible combos I have been active since Dec 2022 and have gone through like 14+ Asiatic combo factor girls (some up until retirement/last heat) without a single Asiatic.

Like, it combo bases a semi-decent chance of passing with good marks, it would actually be worth it to put work into kinging one. But what's the point when it's so much easier to breed a decent amount of BO marks onto a non-combo BO base?

Like, out of a 1000+ breedings over the last almost 2 years, I've had like only 2 combo cubs worth kinging. And both were from ComboxFactor or FactorxFactor breedings :/

Edit: As a final thought, the monthly combos are a bitch enough to breed as it is, and really the only decent studs for them are RLC clones. They would REALLY benefit from a boost since it's so easy to only get, like, one Pulsar through July and then have the base go extinct in your pride because it never passed. (Like what happened to me last year.)



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Edited on 18/10/24 @ 19:46:07 by Astraea (#418426)

Square (#485374)

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Posted on
2024-10-19 11:53:14
Yes please! I want my witches to pass their bases!



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Fading Ember โœจ (#211661)


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2024-10-23 17:35:45
screaming support as a serruria breeder with zero passes and an heir plan
had to buy all of my gals



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LilyDrag0 (#451458)

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Posted on
2024-10-24 09:45:10
This is why I donโ€™t breed combos, but if they added this it might change for me.



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2024-10-24 13:18:22
I had a Sphinx who never passed. I literally just put her into giveaways because she failed her last heat. And Sphinx is not only a combo base but a factor too, so I even tried breeding to Filded/Rosegold and nothing. Like I understand being patient, but it still hurts, especially because she was a groupie I bought



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nebula/ferrous ๐Ÿ’ซ (#434371)

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2024-10-26 19:15:27
Support. Combos are so hard to breed anyway it is not like it would break the game that much, especially considering most people sell them for dirt cheap because no one wants to deal with them (And perhaps a slightly boosted chance for combo x factor?)

I bred my first combo yesterday after HUNDREDS of tries. I bred a first gen before a combo. The estimated chance for a combo is like 1% afaik.
Making it easier will make people actually WANT combos.



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CALA (#105146)


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2024-10-26 19:40:36
Personally, it isn't sensible to me that this isn't the other way around. It should be more difficult to breed the combo base off the odd-pairings than it is to breed combo to combo. I personally would like to see the difficulty of producing the combo base adjusted to be lower and the combo x combo pairings to be buffed. I'm sure people may disagree with that sentiment, but after having been gone for five years and coming back to see how saturated the market is by combo bases to the point where they are worthless, I think it needs to be adjusted to bring some stability back to the economy. I've bred multiple combo bases in the short time I've been back, Black Rose through to an Elysian/Elysian - and while I shouldn't be complaining, because I've been *lucky* and I certainly appreciate having got them to roll - it pains me to have been excited then gone to check market value only to find they aren't worth anything anymore, and I have no idea if the pass rates got adjusted while I was gone, but it certainly feels like specials, combos and rares pass insanely easily compared to when I used to play. I prefer there to be a point, a challenge and a value to my breeding projects, and as it stands - there is no point in investing money into anything other than hybrids or RLCs with the way the breeding economy has altered. Making the combo x combo pairings have value and making it slightly lower chances to get them in the first place will help mediate them back into a place of value, in my opinion. Just my two cents, and not intended to offend anyone :')



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Edited on 26/10/24 @ 19:42:10 by CALA (#105146)

[โ–ณ] Nadir (#108458)

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2024-10-28 13:03:51
There definitely should be some small % boost to the chances. I don't want a huge increase, because it'd affect the market, but I'd agree to like a 3.5% boost or something.



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2024-11-01 11:11:22
i guess im confused by this post, you just want to raise the chances of passing the parents base down to its cubs? correct?



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2024-11-01 11:39:45
Yes, like the first example I said how I only have EVER gotten one combo base pass, most of my combos died without passing. I suggest boosting the rates so that they pass at least once in their lifetime. They don't tell you when or if they're going to pass in their entire lifetime but they should.



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Posted on
2024-11-01 11:45:45
i mean it would be nice, but they arent going to do that.



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[โ–ณ] Nadir (#108458)

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2024-11-01 11:46:26
Eh, I'm not in agreement with guaranteed passing, but boosting the pass rate for combo x combo so its a better chance would be a QoL improvement for breeders of bases without many living lions. I'm hoping to breed nether but i know damn well i gotta sell any nethers i get coz they wont pass pff



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2024-11-01 12:25:34
Whoops yea, what I meant

They should have a higher chance, not certain but likely.



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[โ–ณ] Nadir (#108458)

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2024-11-01 16:52:58
a-ok <3 thanks for clarification



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