The Vuka Vuka is letting you change the fertility. It is a permanent feature, but so is the Cub Sex Changer and the Reroll and The mane changer and the Base changer. The marking applicator is one marking, a permanent change. It is not and OP GB item. It is a bypass that only works on one lioness, and one time. It doesn't go in and just change all you lionesses. It is a limited item, just like most others are. It is a bit pricey, for just changing the level though, so I would be looking more at that.

And if it was changing up or down one, it would be the same as the SB items, and therefore a useless GB item. The GB items are special items, special privileges if you will. You take the special out of them, like making the Vuka Vuka change only up or down one level, it would make the whole GB item thing obsolete. This would kill most of Lioden funding.

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So...............
Taking out a single GB item.............. will destroy the site.
Okay.

The way people are defending the GB items and promote its amazing uses.... I think you are also against the promoting of SB and adding it new uses that GB does not have and correct that little thing we call 'economy' and 'SB inflation'. SB needs uses and urgently, or else it has no future, people will just throw it away and not even care. All lions on the market now have GB prices, everyone is asking for GB anywhere you look for anything.

If it indeed is only offering luxury items, then how come SB is absolutely useless? What is a luxury item? There is no true definition for it. What is needed for gameplay? It depends on your playing style.

All I am saying is this fertility update and the future cub survival update would be an amazing and prime time to give some shine to SB, to give it uses which GB does not have and lacks. Implementing a much stronger, even cheap GB item compared to its SB equivalent isnt helping.

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Did not just claim this single GB item would kill the entire thing. I made a claim for all of them. If you take the special out of ALL of them, LIKE the Vuka Vuka, it makes GB obsolete. :)

It is the customization GB items that are the problem from where you claim. Just changing the fertility level has no effect on whether or not a lion is sold for GB. A lion is sold for GB because of his custom markings, his rare markings and what not. Not that its fertility was changed.

And they have given us SB items for this update. So there. There is a helper for this SB problem.

The fact that GB is the current dominating currency is due to the custom lions and the special marked lions. And that's not going to be changed with this update.

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The single item would kill the update and not the site.

And do not misunderstand, I think you read it wrong. I have nothing against most items in the Oasis. It can stay the way it is. I also never claimed that I want to be rid of them, or make people unable to purchase GB. Just adding features for SB to raise its value.

And no, people are selling anything, not just lions, but items for GB too. have you looked around yet in TC? Everything is GB priced, only few you find asking solely for SB. The problem is that the developers let the GB get away with being the main currency now, while the game money is let to inflate, not giving it any uses.

SB could gain significance if it would have features that GB has not. If it would have gameplay-changing properties. Then yes, SB could become the main currency again, it just takes effort from the staff is all. But so far we only saw feeble if any attempt.

And seriously... That SB items are less if any worth compared to the GB item. And oh, we have soon a mutation eraser? Yeah, something you will use once a real life year. Mutations are sought after currently, and will be for a loooooooong time.

We need SB items that have no stronger equivalent in the Oasis, something you need for gameplay, something with which you can gain advantage, items, features that are SB-exclusive. Implementing SB-rescue features and items will not kill the site. If anything, people will be more tempted to sell GB for SB, thus curing inflation somewhat. SB will never be the same worth as GB, but what we have now is getting ridiculous.

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What I see in the TC is people wanting SB for items and lions. People wanting GB or the SB Equivalent, not everyone there being gimme all your GB.

And people want GB because of the special lions, or to customize their lions. And that is no surprise because of the fact it takes 10 Gb just to customize your lion with one marking. So what good would making more items SB exclusive, if people want pretty lions?

If people would stop wanting special lions/ custom lions then you'd get you SB dominated currency back. But they are not going to stop wanting them. And they are not going to make marking applicators and all the customization items SB, so they would have to implement a hell of a lot of SB items to change the tables on GB and SB.

And the items you need for gameplay, are already SB. You don't need a fancy 10 marking custom lion to play the game. You don't need the fertility changer or the sec changer and any of the GB items for gameplay. Sure its a major plus to have a pretty lion, cause everyone wants that. Its also a big plus to have the energy boost so you can go back out and explore. But you won't just wither and die in this game if you don't have GB.

Now I apologize for getting off topic here. And to return to the topic, my opinion still stands. There are SB items to purchase to alter the fertility, albeit not permanently, but still there are items, and therefore it would make altering the Vuka Vuka to moving up or down one level useless. And buying that item is not a necessity, or a problem, because of the plants you can buy for fertility.

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> you cannot change it to goddess or infertile
> I could still bump all of mine to the second highest

I thought it goes Good > High > Goddess... and all pre-existing lionesses are High or Good anyway, and their cubs will probably come out with decent Fertility, so it's not like Vuka Vuka is "omg essential" for making sure she has cubs. I doubt anybody will even see much of an impact in their breedings, except for those intentionally trying for low-Fert for the mutations, and in that case they'd want to keep her low and will simply have to keep trying despite any failed breedings as part of the low Fertility.

> With a GB item that can entirely bypass the feature itself, the update itself gets useless. The item is OP.

I don't get this whole "rage against the rich people" anti-GB item thing.
Do you seriously think Vuka Vuka is that important? Since my lionesses already started at High, I haven't even bothered looking at buying one... they're still breeding as well as before, or else I just haven't noticed any change. So what makes you think people would gain some huge advantage by spending GB on an item that isn't all that impactful?

It seems like just another non-essential luxury expense, which is exactly what GB items should be.
I really don't see how this item is worth all the hubbub.

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Honestly, I dont care about customization that much as others do. Plenty of people are asking for SB items and a fix for SB because indeed you just collect and collect, but for what? Why can we even get SB in the game if it barely or if anything can be used for?

Let us see what we have for SB...
Useful and worth it: Hunting expansion, Aging crystal, marking opacity changer, Bone Marrow (kinda but is extremely limited, so makes no true difference)

Not worth it:
Food Bundle (Not only do we have enough carcasses, but my experience with it is horrible. Game me tiny carcasses and eggs (1 use stuffs with tiny filling)
Toy Bundle (Gives items and toys you will find daily anyway)
Snake skull (Uber expensive)
Cleansing Ichor (For what?)
Reroll (removes all the effort from your lion, for newbies too expensive)
Decors and BGs (Useless in gameplay)
Random eye changer (for simple eyes? Meh too expensive)

GB on the other hand has pretty much the only useful features. Be it luxury or not.

Actually, as I said, SB can gain significance if it enables you advantage in gameplay. maybe not customization, but enabling better exploration, maybe making a SB-entry biome with better rewards, adding sigs for SB purchase, cub protecting items for future -without GB equivalent-, letting us adjust the rate of meeting a specific enemy type for SB, more raffles for SB that is actually worth it and the main prize isnt a BG or decor.

Things that alter gameplay for those who like the other features of lioden. Which gives us advantage in statting and developing the lions in abilities than looks. Looks can be GB, but gameplay/abilities shall be SB exclusive. Just like fertility.

If cub survival becomes SB promoting, breeders and lion sellers would also use SB more. The more SB you use daily, the more it will be wanted.

GB also gains another feature. Can give you quick SB in TC, which again supports and encourages player interaction and trading. Right now most people hug their GB tightly and less people sell GB every week. Because it doesnt pay off to get SB. For what would you get SB anyway?

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Onu:
Maybe not now, but as the devs said, you lion's cubs' fertility can be lower or higher than their parents' in each generation. Thus, later on, after many generations indeed people will need to use the items to raise or lower their fertility to gain advantage and basically not feel the update itself.

Again, not now, but later on.

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Some people will chase cubs if they are not good to godless fertility. It mark a other goal.

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You don't need GB items. They are not necessary to play the game. The items needed for gameplay can be found exploring, or bought with SB. You can even buy pretty lions withs SB. So what if someone keeps their GBs to themselves. That is not going to stop anyone from gaining SB.

Oh, I don;t have any GBs, how will I ever survive in this game.

GBs are not important. and SBs are not impossible to obtain. SBs get you things that are useful, and some things that are not. The BG and Decors and various items to change things about the lions are useless for gameplay. But the food and toys are. They keep your ladies and cubs happy and fed. Important for gameplay. This new fertility update, can be aided with SBs. You are not up sh*t creek if you only have SBs.

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"Right now, I could easily just bump all my lioness up to "goddess" and never have to worry about not having cubs."

1. You can't bump to goddess :)
2. You can claim ANY fertility in NCL's!
3. I think it's the point of the item? :) if you don't want to worry about losing 5% energy every now and then, just get a luxury item.

You literally just lose 5% if she doesn't get pregnant.

So you just keep breeding with a female on and on. Like a lion would.

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You mix it up. All these useful things can be found by exploring... Food, toys, you dont need to buy them.

The toy and food bundle are basically useless on their own the way they are set up. They cost 100SB, and for what? To give you two 10% filling 1 use food? They are horribly expensive compared to what uses they have, and even if they were cheaper, no one would buy them anyway. I would like to see the last person who actually purchased them and were pleased by what they got. It isnt even filling for a single lion, let alone a whole pride. Same goes to toys.

You don't need GB items. They are not necessary to play the game
I would agree with you if they wouldnt give all the advantage you can get for a currency. They are necessary to keep up with the players. You cannot stud without having a pretty lion, you cannot sell any cubs if you dont have a pretty lion, basically the whole gameplay becomes useless if you cannot sell things, if you cannot get approval or get bragging rights for your effort.

I'd like something to work for. Something that gives me advantage for my own gameplay. For SB. A feature, an item, which is worth its price, which changes my gameplay. I dont care about customization, I have a ton of GB on my account as well -so I am not a poor player asking to do away with GB items- what I miss is the concept of the Free to Play game. I am still waiting for useful stuff for SB for a year now, I am collecting for this one reason. All I see are decors -pffff- and GB items after each feature. What about SB? Why is the main currency this low in demand? Why doesnt the staff balance it? There are other features than customization. Make those SB-exclusive.

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Xylax, you forget about mutations. People can easily just bump their lions downwards and have greater chance for mutations. If the item stays the way it is, there goes the 'new feeling' for mutations, and they will end up being common.

And I think that the purpose is to curb the cub market, no? How will it work if we have a OP GB item which will let you bypass it completely?

I do hope we wont have GB items that bypass cub survival. IF it will be implemented. Something tells me that to favor players who dont like effort, it was trashed.

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The concept of a Free to Play game rests with the real money items. You don't pay to play this game, so they have to put in things to give people extra, to make the money to keep this Free to Play game running. Otherwise they'd resort to using ads as their income, or donations. Neither of which anyone is 100% about. You wouldn't want the game flooded with ads, and not everyone can donate. (Though Donations would be enough for the ones who have the money.) So the best option is putting in special items for those willing to pay money for. It helps the people who created the game and run the game. So this Free to play game needs these items.

And SBs are used to buy things from people and even the monkey. The reason for the 'crap' items for SB, could be to motivate players to interact, and purchase items they need from others who have them. And all of which is needed to keep your lion, lionesses and cubs happy and fed can be found exploring. So you use your SB to trade with other players. There you go, your interaction, and major uses for SB. And a plus too, you can purchase some GB items to SB was well! So SB CAN infact give you advantages in gameplay.

Also, the Vuka Vuka is not an OP GB item really. An OP GB item would be if it worked on all lionesses at once, or it had multiple uses. No, it is a one use per item. How is that OP. Its 3GB, you really want to spend 3GB when you can spend a few hundred SB? It seems like people would only want the one lioness to change anyway. I wouldn't want to spend more than 3GB on an item which SB can solve. And you also can't boost your lioness to goddess fertility. You can boost your lioness to goddess level with the SB items. So why is the Vuka Vuka such a problem for this new Fertility thing? Don't really see it. It is an expensive, pointless item.

What do you care if people want to bypass cub survival and all that? It's not like my buying the Vuka Vuka will impact you? It is a choice for the one who has the option. If they want to bypass it, so what? Let them do it. It is there money, not your's. If people want to make mutations common let them. Also I doubt that mutations will become common anyway, because just because your lioness is Very Low fertility, doesn't mean she will birth a mutated cub. If that were true, then there would be more than one mutated cub already.

I am sure the reason is to implement some sense of reality, with the subject of whether a lion's cubs will survive or not, and whether mutations will arise.

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Not everyone likes to trade or be dependent on the trading system. I for one like to get everything myself. It is said that Lioden favors and enables all gameplay types, but so far breeders and traders are the only ones truly supported. What about those who like exploring? Who like to be independent? Who like to show off their effort? What about those who like to see their lions become better and more effective instead of prettier?

Nope. Nothing. No feature or SB item promotes all this.

And it is one thing to 'promote player interaction', and to 'pay for stuff with SB', but not all players find these features tempting whatsoever. Some players would like to see some use being put onto SB that excludes trading.

What do you get for SB by trading?
Food? But you can hunt...
Toys? You can find them at explore.
Lions? Good for nothing lions which arent different from my own?

Nah.

Too little, too insignificant compared to GB.

And once more, it is one thing that 'it is not a 'subscription game' and it is actually free to play, but how things are going along, there is basically no chance to even catch up or keep going alongside players without GB items. If GB keeps its status, and even gets increased, then what chance will there be for free players? If GB is indeed the only thing useful, then how do you think the inflation will be?

It saddens me that no one understands what I am talking about.

It is one thing that you can buy GB for SB in TC, but if GB only gains significance and SB keeps losing, then we will end up with GB costing 4000SB a piece. Or barely anyone selling them anymore. because what use does it do them to sell GB anyway? And it will keep rising.

Without being able to buy GB items, tell me what advantage you can get over the others?

So why is the Vuka Vuka such a problem for this new Fertility thing?
The answer is: Because of SB. SB shall be the only possible way to raise or decrease fertility. To give it shine, give it significance, give it more value. (And Vuka Vuka actually enables you to breed for mutations at any given time, so yes, it has multiple uses in itself)
And if indeed Vuka Vuka is so 'useless, waste of time' as you like to call it, then why is it a problem to do away with it? Isnt it useless, waste of time, then?

What do you care if people want to bypass cub survival and all that? It's not like my buying the Vuka Vuka will impact you?
The knowledge that I spend hundreds of days to breed selectively, to keep my cubs alive with work and effort, the fact that I might be working my butt off to make do........ only to have someone throw in 3 GBs and get what I worked for in a matter of one moment.

It is one thing to give the ability, another is to make others feel like their work was worthless compared to money. I would hate to see that happening. I would quit very quickly if that happened. I worked for everything I have so far, and still do. But if my work is not rewarded.... bye bye Lioden.

Also, the goal isnt just reality. The goal is to curb the cub market. To make sure less cubs are born. But if everyone can just go and bypass all this, then what did the developers do? Nothing. The only ones it is going to hurt are those who never caused a problem in the first place.

This way I see no true use for this fertility update if it can be bypassed completely by a single cheap item.

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