1.I didn't understand a word of that.

2. I've yet to meet anyone who has a problem with sub-males. I could see WHY they wouldn't want them, considering they're basically useless, but thats why im suggesting these changes so they WONT be useless. Why would I spend GB and SB and waste food on a lion who doesn't do anything?

3. The Patrol feature is just a worse version of the hunt feature. And Patroling and Exploring isn't the same thing dude. *facepalm*

4.Who said anything about becoming essential? A lioness should be able to defend her cubs just as much as any male -- Submales would just be a BONUS. Once again, Submales are just so useless and a waste of space. You dont NEED one when your male dies, if I understand correctly.

Well if the mood goes down and she leaves its your fault. If she gets stolen, it's your fault. Either way shes gone, and its no one's fault but YOURS.

You have liked this post!

@Werebereus: This game will still be a Sim, no matter what annoyed users say its not. Lioden is an original and fun lion sim game. And like the other users, I will say that if you make it more realistic than it already is, then it will be boring. I'm always finding something to do on this site even when all my lionesses are hunting, no one is posting on my fourms, and no one is trading. That's because it's got to be unrealistic for some reasons!

Besides the things you have listed up there what other things do you really think we can make realistic and still have fun? You can't take away currency (that's not real), that means everything is worthless and no one has a goal of getting that GB or SB. You wanna take away those pretty malteese and mahogany lionesses that are only avalible through customization? Those arn't realistic. Fine, go ahead and take away the snake, take away the monkey, take away trading, the sales tree, and take away the Oasis. What do we have now? A boring game that NEEDS to be a bit unrealistic.

If we take things like the different colour lionesses, we have one, maybe two colour bases and they arnt worth anything, because everyone has that. Yes there are something's that are kind of out there with realism, but that's how it has to be. Think back to when you were a new player and didn't have any money, any good lionesses, no food, what helped you then? Exploring. That got you EXP up to fight for territory so you can buy lionesses and trade for them. The hunting is unrealistic but with their levels and EXP so low they had no chance of finding food, you probably bought some from the sales tree, or from the trade center. Maybe when you were struggling with SB you traded something in to the monkey or sold on your own sales branch? do remember the excitment of getting that branch? Maybe when you were bored and needed to get some exp you went to the snake? Or went exploring and were SO excited when you won your first fight?

You probably do, but I wanted to remind you how helpful those 'unrealistic' tools are to users who's dream is to buy enough GB, who dream it is to have a sub-male slot.

Hell, I'm sorry that Lioden isn't 'realistic' enough for you. Lioden is already an impressive game right now. I'm up for ideas for improving this amazing site but trying changing it all together is just stupid, and that is unrealistic for a game. If you want something that real, go to a zoo, or go live in Africa and live with lions.



Now, I actually agree with all of these but with 4, if you are to be able to loose your lioness to another lion, there should be a notification that says, "Your lioness is too bored/hungry, she will leave tomorrow and she is now avalible to be 'stolen' from your pride." Otherwise it's a scary thought, to loose the lioness you paid money for, that is a 8th gen. lioness who's bloodline you've been working on for a year.

And with the sub-males, I think we should still have them as an option, like Axel says.

And on the NPC cub killings, I don't think that's fair, the cubs have noting to do with anything. They are already protected by there mothers and the males, there is no use scarring people with the NPCs.

But I really do agree with Axel, on all of their opinions, that's what I would have said.

You have liked this post!

@Johnlock: I REALIZE THAT. But it's NOT a sim game! It doesn't simulate a real lion's life AT ALL, let alone making exceptions so the game can be fun. Its a breed/trading game. With an unnoticeable DASH of real lion life.

I NEVER suggested taking away the currency, DID I? I NEVER said anything maltese or mahogany lionesses, NEVER said anything about the snake, NEVER said anything about what you're complaining about up there, now DID I? This is about THE MALES. *double facepalm*

I don't give a single damn that you're sorry. Not a SINGLE one. Im allowed to have just as much of an opinion as you, even if it IS unpopular. I don't think it's impressive. Just Decent. I NEVER said anything about changing it all together. YOU are. I KNOW it's a game, as ive said MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE.

There IS a notification ALREADY. CLEARLY you've never seen it. Of course your lionesses won't just up and dissappear randomly, without warning.

Nobody said they had to be a requirement. NOBODY.

Well you better get over that real fast, because the admins are already implementing cub mortality. Go cry to them, im just trying to make it BETTER.

You have liked this post!

I do wonder why you even play this game sometimes.

regardless, I basically disagree with most of what you're saying, though I would like to see submales breedable but only internally.

You have liked this post!

1. Then read again. It isnt my fault that you cant.

2. This is why it is a choice to buy a slot or not. To have a submale before you are preparing a heir for your retired male or not is your choice. You dont have to waste time, female slot or food on something if you dont want. I myself would have a problem with that, and I have. my own submale isnt taken care of regularly of course and mercilessly is sent to patrol and only feed him what he caught. He isnt going to be my heir though. My other account doesnt have a submale and I would like to have it stay that way. I dont need another male in my pride and be forced to pay 500SBs for something I dont want or need.

3. I know it is two features *facepalm* I was saying.... that the submales already have patrol where they go. They cant go explore with your male AND patrol your territory at the same time. It is pointless to let them go with you yet not at the same time. They already have a somewhat use which doesnt give all that huge advantage to those who have them, above those who dont.

4. The developers wanted them to become essential. They wanted them to protect the cubs solely. I stated my opinion that I am against that idea, even did so when it was brought up at the voting. Plus submales are sent to patrol every hour. How can they protect cubs from disasters if they arent at the pride? I think it should be the job of the females solely who dont go hunting.

And actually.... no. I have a female with extra low health, below 20 and she is still in my pride. never got a notification that she will leave. She never left either. That's because I dont really need her but still stick to her just in case the whole cub protection comes in. The low mood is not an excuse to stealing someone else's females. I can already see a bunch of members start a hunt for such females at other players and steal them. Isnt it enough that you can catch any female in the wild or customize for GB or buy for EXTRA cheap from the market? Or that you can get exp, skill and territory from fights?


Edit: And for the love of the god calm down. You are being rude. Extremely rude at that. I would suggest to change the behavior. Thank you. You know not only you are entitled to opinions, but we are too. Surprising isnt it?

You have liked this post!

@Romaniik: I play it because for all its shortcomings it IS fun, and im curious to see how it will progress.

1. I did read it again. Multiple times. Still dont know what you're trying to say and i aint trying to figure it out.

2.Then don't buy a sub-male slot. Your business;good for you.

3. Sending one male is a waste of time though. They don't find anymore food than the lionesses do, and you send FIVE of them. And course they can't -- thats why you get MORE THAN ONE. Send on to patrol, take one to derp around with you.

4.I too am against that idea, if they are going to make them protect cubs, they should be protecting ALL the cubs and just be bonuses to the protections to mothers of the cubs already provide. Submales can only be sent patroling one at a time, leaving the others to guard to pride. Only have one? Don't send them patrolling. Either that or Lioden needs to make male slots less expensive so can get more.

5. Lionesses don't have health. Unless you mean there hunger? I'm not sure about this, but they just die if their hunger reaches zero, right? They leave because of their mood, not their hunger (allegedly. i have gotten notifications saying my lionesses were preparing to leave when their moods were fine, but their hunger was low even though lioden says keep their mood up and NOTHING about their hunger >_>)

Don't tell me to calm down. Im perfectly fine.

You have liked this post!

Werebereus: I didn't say you said to take those away, just that you want to make it realistic. My point is that you have to have those unrealistic things in the game to make it as fun to play as you can. And I'm sorry you feel that way towards me. I am actually sorry you don't enjoy or like the game as much as you'd like to.

And yes you are entitled to your opinions, so am I.

I'm not trying to be defensive or fight with you I'm just staying, if you are to suggest have the lioness stealing, maybe clarify there should be a message involved so it is not done by suprise. And I know there is a message and no I haven't seen it. I'm saying add on to that message.

Why? Why are you being mean? I'm not a child, I'm not going to cry over a game.

And yes, I'm sorry but that was rude, please calm down. I'm just trying to defend the site, not kill you with my words and turn down every opinion you have. And I know you're trying to improve the game, and I said my opinion about the ideas. And I don't have to get over anything, it's just my opinion.

You have liked this post!

I want to make it MORE realistic. Not just right down to the nitty gritty lion life. That would be frustrating AND boring.

Alright I will.

Im not mean. This is just how I am. I dont sugarcoat things and my opinions are often presented bluntly. Sorry if i hurt your feelings or offended you, but -- as one of you said -- thats just the way it is. You don't have to like it.

Your are free to defend the site, and im free to critique it. From my understand it IS in Beta so it isn't done yet.

You have liked this post!

1. Then read again.

2. If you add it uses like exploration helpers or defenders in player Vs player fights, then they become essential. Not just a choice. In this case I am forced to have a submale even if I dont need or want them.

3. That is because they are not supposed to be essential for large gain. They are supposed to be the heir to your lion. They arent the main hunting force. The females hunt, the submale patrols. he either finds something or not. He is supposed to gain some stats while your other lion still lives then replace him once he does. This is the only purpose. You can always just buy or breed a male lion cub once your lion is getting old. Then you arent wasting anything just preparing the heir.

4. The submales are to gain stats if you want them to have nice stats when they replace your male. If they dont patrol, they wont gain stats. And people want stats for their submales. Females should be the ones who protect the cubs. Brood Mothers as WitchWolf suggested it. The Brood Mothers would be the lionesses who dont go hunting. 3 cubs protected/lioness.

5. Her hunger is 0%, her mood is 0% too when the site resets every day. I havent fed her in at least two weeks. Never got a notification about her leaving and she never left either. Even if I dont hunt with her, I would be still majorly pissed if someone went and stole her. She has still nice stats. I sent her hunting, fed her, her stats raised with my effort. What I do with her now is up to me, not to someone who wants to steal her from me.

You have liked this post!

1. NO.

2. Not it doesn't. There would be an option to take a male with you. You could say YES or NO. How is that essential?

3. Are you a broken record? You just repeated what you say before, and just proved why males are -- again -- useless. You dont NEED a male to be your heir, so no that's not their purpose. That -- like all the other things you can have them do - is completely optional.

4. "When they replace yoour male"? See Paragraph above. All of the pride who stays behind should be responsible for cubs, not just "brood mothers". Lions dont have those anyway. Just Cubsitters. Witchwolfs idea is simple at it's base, but all that extra nonsense can go.

5.Then thats a bug probably. She should be dead and gone.

You have liked this post!

And this is exactly where I want to point you. All the suggestions you made would make the submale essential. Which I certainly dont want. Okay let me point you out why:

- Apparently you want to have a boost of success at exploration if you take the submale with you. This it does have an advantage to have them. So yes, it would make it essential as they give a boost everyone wants. Same at fighting at player vs player.

- I didnt say just one lioness. It can be any who stays behind, not just one. But one lioness should be able to protect 3 cubs at once. I think you misunderstood my comment. I clearly said 3 cubs/lioness.

And no, I am not a broken record. Dont be offending please, I dont like that at all. But yes, this was the point. You want to make them essential with these suggestions. If you still dont understand than just dont even comment. Then you are just hopeless...

You have liked this post!

Highly against anything that would steal anything I paid real cash for. A store doesn't get to come to my house and take back a shirt because I'm not washing it right and the game shouldnt be set up to take back paid for goods because you don't play with it to their exact specifications.

I'm sorry if thats not realistic enough but I will not continue to provide any funds that keep the game running if they can just take back my paid for items at will, even if that will is partially my doing.

You have liked this post!

Then why don't complain about something that would cause your lionesses to go "Screw this, im leaving" while you're at it? And thats a poor comparison. A shirt doesn't get pissed off and leave because you dont wash it. It CANT. But lionesses do, and you would be warned that your lioness is either about to leave(like they do already) and available to be stolen.

Partially your doing? It will be 100% your doing.

You have liked this post!

They're not real.......pixels can't get abused or have emotions so its very much like a shirt or any object.. I paid for them and they are mine. The site could get in legal trouble by getting into that kind of space when claiming back bought and paid for items if someone got upset enough with it.

ncls are a little different but paid for customs are a whole different ballpark

You have liked this post!

No it couldn't. It doesn't "take the lionesses back". Much like if they leave or are chased away, you never see them again :/

Nope. They aren't. Not at all. They're still normal lionesses and they will be subject to the same thing any lone lioness is subject too. Like they ALREADY are NOW.

You have liked this post!