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Posted by | -ADDED TO THE GAME-Reverse studding ~ Making it reliable |
xXDruidXx (#74535) Nice Guy View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 07:54:19 |
Okay so it's come to my attention that not all of the reverse studders stick to their word and end up keeping the cubs if it is proven to be a dwarf or leopon etc. Which in my opinion seems very scam-like. As if no mutie is produce they earn 50-100gb of stuff, if a mutie is produced then they send the items back and come up with an excuse to keep the cub. With the current rules admins and mods won't do anything about this themselves, except possibly ban a scammer, but it's not their job to return lions etc! Which I understand completely, I wouldn't want to have to deal with stuff like that either XD I'm certainly not saying every studder is like this, some of them are awesome and completely reliable <3 But unfortunately not all are! My suggestion is that there is a more formal way of reverse studding! How? I'll use a leopon as an example. .There would be a way to put your 'pon up for stud as a female lioness. She will be put up and like a trade, there will be a buyout and ways to offer items etc! .The payment will only be made once she get's pregnant to prevent paying for nothing XD The payer will choose the stud from a list, or use their own king. .Once the leopon is pregnant, the lioness can't be traded, sold etc, she must stay on that persons account, like how cooldowns work, but for a longer time! .The cubs she gives birth to can't be sold/chased and they must stay on the account until they're old enough to leave the mother. .When the cubs are old enough they will be automatically sent over to the person who paid. I am definitely not saying that's how it should be done! So don't "no support" due to that, instead suggest your ideas on how this would work ^-^ I am no professional coder, so don't expect me to know how easy this would be! Please suggest ideas and give your support! It greatly help those who want to reverse breed but have been scammed in the past or are two nervous to reverse breed due to unreliability! Don't say things like this don't happen, they do and it happened to a friend of mine! Thank you ^-^ Suggestions ~ Mish 🐾 (#82643) ~ What if instead of making it so they couldn't be chased or moved from the account during the five days of nursing, it was possible to transfer them earlier to *only* the reverse studee with the requirement of having the nursing cub protected by a broodmother (to function somewhat as a "wet nurse", so to speak.) ^^ That would prevent the studder neglecting the cubs, by not protecting them etc! The owner of the stud would decide how many cubs the payer can choose out of, when they're born the buyer would pick their favourite cub, the rest would belong to the owner of the stud. So if something like two leopon cubs occurred, the stud owner doesn't have to give them both! Studding weekly limits, like kings have now. Most of the arguments made for problems, already exist, please. If you have no experiance in 'pon breeding what so ever don't make an argument about 'pon breeding. Also, don't make arguments for things that already happen. Instead, suggest ways these problems could also be stopped! |
Mish 🐾 [G1 Primal Leonid] (#82643) Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:19:14 |
I think that idea was primarily suggested for simplicity's sake! I don't truthfully know how else the cubbins could be distributed otherwise (specifically regarding the coding aspect of this). I imagine if there could be a happy medium in which Leopon Owner and the purchaser could both get a say in the cub's rehoming, that'd be nifty and work! ^^ Just unsure how complicated / if it's even possible for such intricacies to be implemented. x.x 0 players like this post! Like? |
🌈Rainbow (#66036)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:24:11 |
.Once the leopon is pregnant, the lioness can't be traded, sold etc, she must stay on that persons account, like how cooldowns work, but for a longer time! Please Clarify this for me. .The cubs she gives birth to can't be sold/chased and they must stay on the account until they're old enough to leave the mother. This is already a in game action.... .When the cubs are old enough they will be automatically sent over to the person who paid. This is the part I'm talking about because once they all trun 5 months the Second Pon will be sent to the buyer and then the buyer will say "Well I paid for it so you can not get it back" Thus making the Seller cheated out of the seoncd leopon..Thus taking power from the owner 0 players like this post! Like? |
Fizzlepop (#49710)
Majestic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:25:48 |
What about nesting? If that doesn't happen, there's a chance the cubs could die. Maybe it would be up to the studee to provide nesting material at the time of studding, right up until it's time to give birth, so the studee doesn't have to rely on the owner of the lion to nest it? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Mei (#53317)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:26:19 |
I'm removing my support for now, mainly because it is 100% fair that the person who bought the studding gets the entire litter, no matter what is produced. This suggestion seems to have changed too include "safeguards" for the mother's owner to keep cub(s) - that is completely disregarding what studding even means. edit: formatting fixes 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 23/02/17 @ 19:26:36 by Mei (#53317) |
Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:29:09 |
Yeah, I had to retract support too honestly. I don't want something like this to go in game and force me to give up most of a litter I paid for just because it happens that there are 3-4 leopons/dwarfs in it. It's a risk that you take by selling breedings, IMO. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 23/02/17 @ 19:29:26 by Bezthiel (#81210) |
🌈Rainbow (#66036)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:31:50 |
@Mei Okaii lets say You have a pon and lets say you only have One pon and its one its last breed. You decide to be nice and sell her last breed. The buyer buys that breeding and your pon, on her last breed, has twin pons. Will you still give that second pon to the buyer knowing that the mother is old and will not produce any more because she is out of breeds. and lets add that the Barks have become hard to find. Will you still give both pons to the buyer? Did I read your post wrong??? lmao 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 23/02/17 @ 19:33:08 by 👑Queen🌈Rainbowlion🦁 (#66036) |
Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:35:36 |
You might not be asking me that, but yes. 100%. Because I now have a nice little nest egg to, now that reverse studding isn't moderated, buy my own stud chance or save up for another leopon. I don't get to keep cubs out of the litters my male produces, or maybe there'd be a stronger argument for keeping parts of the litter. Right now, we can both easily find people that will agree to our terms. So it's fine, we can do things differently. But I do not, will not, support something that forced me to give up cubs to another person. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 23/02/17 @ 19:36:58 by Bezthiel (#81210) |
Mei (#53317)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:45:23 |
I agree completely with Bezthiel. Yes, I would send both pons to the buyer of the studding, because it is 100% their property because they bought the studding. Just because luck favored them doesn't mean the owner of the mother has any say in what happens with the litter produced by the studding bought by the other player. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Myriad [mostly frozen] (#76) View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:46:22 |
Yes, to the question about 2nd pons. If that was the deal, that was the deal. I personally don't have a horse in this race - I have very little interest in breeding pons honestly, and no interest in reverse studding until or unless it becomes a legitimate site feature. But what I do know is that if I'd promised someone the cubs from that breeding I would follow through and give them multiple pons if they happened to get that lucky, if that's what I'd agreed. Sure it feels a little unfortunate from the seller's POV, but that's why you don't have to sell reverse breedings if you don't want to. The whole thing is luck anyways. And in a nutshell that's why I haven't supported this suggestion yet - seems as though there are completely opposing ideas on how the actual practicalities of reverse studding would work as a single, official feature. That works ok rn as an unofficial feature everyone can tweak to their own liking. But unless that's all ironed out (which seems problematic with so many differing ideas), I just can't see how it will work. 0 players like this post! Like? |
🌈Rainbow (#66036)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:47:12 |
Now be real honest are you really going to feel like buy a new leopon? Do you really want to pay for a studding to ANOTHER pon when in that RB you gave to that other person had two pon born and you would have had a backup pon for when your old pon is all done. Do you really want to RB to someone elses pon who if they have a non-1st gen pon gives only a 5% chance of passing a pon? You would be starting all over. Not to mention what are you going to do when no one is selling young pon and only trophy pons. And Lets step back to this from my earlier post? .Once the leopon is pregnant, the lioness can't be traded, sold etc, she must stay on that persons account, like how cooldowns work, but for a longer time! Please Clarify this for me. .When the cubs are old enough they will be automatically sent over to the person who paid. This is the part I'm talking about because once they all trun 5 months the Second Pon will be sent to the buyer and then the buyer will say "Well I paid for it so you can not get it back" Thus making the Seller cheated out of the seoncd leopon..Thus taking power from the owner 0 players like this post! Like? |
Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:47:30 |
As an addition, that situation you proposed can be really easily avoided by simply not selling your leopon's last heat. That's your protection as a seller. Don't sell something you want for yourself. You can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. 0 players like this post! Like? Edited on 23/02/17 @ 19:49:11 by Bezthiel (#81210) |
Mei (#53317)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:48:51 |
Agreed; just because luck favored them over you doesn't mean you can be greedy - Bezthiel said it better than I could've. 0 players like this post! Like? |
🌈Rainbow (#66036)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:54:18 |
That's understandable but I am still sticking with no support because Owners should have a say in what goes on with their pon littler. You paid 50-100GB for a leopon cub that goes for 500-600GB. Adding another pon to that makies it a 1000-1200GB deal for both pons. Now the owner was screwed over 1000-1200GB deal that was only brought for 50-100GB. Now do you see my POV? 0 players like this post! Like? |
Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:54:57 |
The owner of the thread is offline, and they're probably the only one that can explain the wording they used. I'd assume they weren't aware you can't trade pregnant lionesses. As for the other, can't tell you since I'm not the owner. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Mei (#53317)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-02-23 12:56:12 |
I really don't. Owners have a say in what goes on in their pon litter IF and only if they don't sell the breeding. Again, just because luck favored them over you doesn't mean your greed has any right to affect anything. (Note: "You" and "your" are being used generally here, I am not targeting anyone specifically.) 0 players like this post! Like? |