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Posted by | Addition of Rules re: Reverse Studs |
![]() Mei (#53317) Good Natured View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 12:42:58 |
Hello all, I have a small suggestion regarding reverse studding: For some background information, I have seen quite a few leopon and dwarf owners claiming that it is within their right to keep cub(s) if a product of a reverse studding includes more than one dwarf/pon. While I understand it is within a seller's right to determine the terms of sale, the term "studding" itself (at least on Lioden) means that the buyer of the studding gets whatever is produced, no matter how desirable or undesirable. Here's what I mean - male studs have absolutely no say or power over what happens with their offspring by mothers from other prides - why should this be different for females? The player buying the studding bought the studding, and so it is their right to keep anything and everything from the results of it. Secondly, I've seen other suggestions regarding reverse studding "safety" features, involving what looks to my inexperienced eyes like an extremely complicated coding process. I believe this suggestion, if implemented, would eliminate the need for such a feature, as it clears up any confusion regarding who owns what in reverse stud litters. So, here's my suggestion: Add to/modify the rules regarding promised based transactions to include a section specifically about reverse studding, something along the lines of; "Reverse studdings must be conducted under the same conditions as regular studdings. The buyer of the studding is entitled to the entire litter produced from that studding, unless they cannot pay the stud fee. In this case, the mother's owner is entitled to the litter." As an added note to the above, the stud fee should be the buyout for trade including the cubs belonging to the buyer of the studding - this is the best way I've seen to keep things scam-free. I also understand promise-based transactions are not being moderated anymore, but I think this small modification could cut down on the unfairness, possible scams, and confusion currently existing because of reverse studding suddenly being allowed. There are also some grey areas that I understand to be regarding things such as aging stones - what happens if a player cannot provide the aging stones for the litter? And etc. Please comment if you have additional suggestions, pros, or cons to add to this suggestion. Thank you for reading and considering! |
Flame [tri rosette fuchsia] (#76961) Impeccable View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:30:59 |
Yes, I hate that reverse stud rule! I'd personally be very upset if I didn't get everything I paid for- 100% support. No regular studs require to keep rosettes or primals, etc if multiple are born. Maybe leopons are hard to get... but a reverse breeding costs nothing to the owner, it seems a bit selfish in my opinion to keep someone else's rightful cub. I would not complain to a user upfront however, I'd find a different stud ![]() Edited on 23/02/17 @ 20:44:47 by Flame (G.D.S.S) (#76961) |
Legato Bluesummers || Rogue (#98067) ![]() Maneater View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:31:09 |
I'm actually offering less than 50gb per RS pon breedings and I only require enough barks for the current cooldown. I've seen a few others do similar looking through RS threads, because I've been considering breeding outside my own. That's how I know lol ![]() |
RD II 12k Quad Rose -PM 37659 (#37730) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:36:14 |
No support. The person who owns the Pon has every right to dictate thier own terms, the majority state up front exactly what is expected of the buyer of that heat. If you don't like Pon owners terms , go elsewhere to find someone whose terms you do. Simple. I myself have turned down multiple people who have not liked my terms for using my stud. Why should it be any different for Pon owners, they put the effort into paying to buy or breed them, why can they not dictate the terms to breed to a lion they own? They are not forcing you to agree, they do not need to let others breed to them and therefore give them a chance they may not otherwise have to get a Pon.... Unless they can save upwards of 500-600+ GB value to buy a Pon cub. ![]() |
Bezthiel π (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:38:39 |
I really do think that allowing advertising for promise based transactions was a poor-taste move, when there's no moderation for it. So some rule to somewhat protect buyers should be in place. I had to read that promised-based transactions rule, ask questions about it, and see it happen before I fully understood what it was. With the current, heavy heavy advertising, it looks like something that's endorsed by the site, so it should have some small amount of moderation. With more sellers becoming involved in it, it could actually really hurt a high profile part of the economy if even two or three people start to scam buyers, scaring them into no longer participating. I don't know about this rule in particular, just a thought. ![]() |
RD II 12k Quad Rose -PM 37659 (#37730) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:42:27 |
The only difference between now and before was all promise based transactions could not be advertised. They still happened, they still had all the risks they still entail today. It's just now out in the open, in a way it is safer . People can see now those who have fair terms (in thier opinion) and make comparisons much easier before deciding. ![]() |
Bezthiel π (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:46:50 |
That's why I specified the advertising was a problem. Before at least you had to actively go looking for your own trouble and likely had a decent idea that it wasn't something endorsed by the site. Now? It looks endorsed. It looks moderated. It is still not. If one of those people who looks like they offer fair terms doesn't live up to what they say, you get nothing back. Too bad for you. Try your luck elsewhere (hah, but after 200GB+ in cash and items is gone with no recompense, who's gonna do it again? Sure not me!) Yes, I know that's the same as it always was. If you lost something in a promise, you lost it. The point is that the allowance of advertising is not the same, and one part of that really should not have been changed while the other stayed the same. ![]() |
πΈ Chonk πΈ (#54568)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:48:01 |
We kind of need a separate sub forum titled Promise Based Transactions, with a big info post sticky at the top. ![]() Edited on 23/02/17 @ 20:48:13 by Locust [SFD] (#54568) |
RD II 12k Quad Rose -PM 37659 (#37730) Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:49:32 |
Even now, by actively looking for RBs you are saying that you are aware of the risks and aware that mods/admin will not interfere. There is no difference no other than its out in the open. You are still 'looking for your own trouble'. ![]() |
Bezthiel π (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:49:51 |
That would definitely help out! I... don't look for reverse breedings. At all. Because there's 0 protection for it. Some rules/moderation of it would be the only thing that would make me look at it. Which is also why I support a nice forum of its own. So it'll stop cluttering up the other sections. ![]() Edited on 23/02/17 @ 20:51:05 by Bezthiel (#81210) |
Legato Bluesummers || Rogue (#98067) ![]() Maneater View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:50:41 |
Jacimagicwhitedeer (#87017)
Amazing View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:51:07 |
πΈ Chonk πΈ (#54568)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:52:08 |
Xaila π [Interstellar Patch (#75654) ![]() Necromancer View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:58:21 |
I understand the sentiment behind this. But the staff has said they're NOT moderating promise based transactions, and from that I assume that they're going to keep their hands off of it. It sounded like they would deal with outright scammers, but you give people currency/items/lions at your own risk. I would just support people who do guarantee you the full litter and put your money there. ![]() |
Bezthiel π (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts ![]() Posted on 2017-02-23 13:59:52 |
Here y'go! For those of you just wanting a different board and no rule changes -- http://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429258651 ![]() |
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