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2017-09-16 02:31:17
Are you more into mane shapes? Then the Mane Genetics Thread is here for you

Want to check out a particular combo quickly? Use ctrl + f and type its name, or use the "search on site" option if you are using a cellphone :)



Wiki entry about Combo Bases

This began as a way to share theories about possible combinations, but then things got way bigger than expected. A lot of people have invested a lot of currency in the scrying stone to see if we were right about combos, and here is the result :D

But wait... What are combo bases?



When you breed two lions with the right combination of bases, their cubs roll a further, extra chance that can result in a third, new base, a "combo" base. Each combo base has its own requirements, and these bases often ignore the set genetic rules: for example, the Cairngorm combo base (Black Light Solid Special genetics) can be obtained by breeding a Celestial lion (Black Dark Countershaded Special genetics) and a Cocoa lioness (Black Medium Countershaded Rare genetics). Most combo bases can be passed down as long as one parent has it and further requirements are met if there are any, with the exception of Pulsar and Temporal.

*Since the 12th October update, cubs that have triggered the original combo bases - Cairngorm, Citrine, Madagascar or Qahir - have a 50% chance of getting their respective mane color, and these can be inherited like any other mane color!

Right now there are two different types of combo bases: "standard" combos and "factor" combos. Factor ones can be obtined by breeding any of the bases that make up the combo, but standard ones can be obtained by more than one combination of bases that are assembled into two different groups. The combo can trigger as long as the parents have bases that belong to a different combo group (not to be mistaken by the genetic color group).

*Note: While some of the following standard combo tables have been completed, there may be some combinations that remain undiscovered yet.

Standard combos:





Arabica

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Arabica by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black



  • Buttercream

  • Buttermilk






Asiatic

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Asiatic by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Dun

  • Gray



  • Cream

  • White






Black Rose

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Black Rose by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar



  • Jet

  • Obsidian

  • Onyx






Cairngorm

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Cairngorm by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Celestial

  • Ice

  • Sidereal

  • Skyward



  • Cocoa

  • Ethereal

  • Pearl

  • Slate






Citrine

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Citrine by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Cinnabar

  • Kimanjano

  • Topaz

  • Xanthic



  • Cherry Blossom

  • Fiery

  • Fulvous

  • Sulphur






Cloudburst

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Cloudburst by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Chartreux

  • Korat

  • Maltese






Elysian

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Elisyan by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Ice



  • Divine

  • Ebony






Ember

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Ember by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Blazing

  • Fiery



  • Flint

  • Pewter






Hellebore

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Hellebore by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Lilac



  • Goldenrod

  • Udara






Madagascar

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Madagascar by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Sapela

  • Sepia

  • Shedua

  • Unholy



  • Ivory

  • Nacre

  • Sunset

  • Supernal






Nadir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Nadir by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Black Rose

  • Ebony



  • Ardor

  • Hellebore

  • Rhodonite






Pulsar

This base can only be obtained via combo during July, but can be passed down by breeding two Pulsar based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Pulsar by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Arctic



  • Anjeer

  • Blazing

  • Inferno

  • Prune






Qahir

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Qahir by the almighty Scrying Stone:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Buff

  • Cameo

  • Hallowed

  • Russet



  • Chartreux

  • Glacial

  • Hematite

  • Opal






Snowflake

This base can only be obtained during wet season; this means the two lions must breed during wet season. Confirmed bases to breed Snowflake by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Albino



  • Arctic

  • Aufeis

  • Frostbitten

  • Glacial

  • Ice






Temporal

This base can only be obtained via combo during October, but can be passed down by breeding two Temporal based lions all year around. Confirmed bases to breed Temporal by the almighty News:
1st base group2nd base group

  • Unholy



  • Bast

  • Sunset




Factor combos:





Gilded

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Gilded by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Anubis



  • Bast



  • Seth






Olive

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Olive by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Caramel



  • Xanthic






Rose Gold

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Rose Gold by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base3rd base

  • Alabaster



  • Sha



  • Velvet






Soul

This base doesn't have additional restrictions. Confirmed bases to breed Soul by the almighty News:
1st base2nd base

  • Ivory



  • Ebony





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Edited on 19/12/19 @ 03:40:35 by Jingle Bere (#84593)

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2017-09-16 08:25:55
Hmm. Maybe you're right. I tried scrying Lilac with Amber and Buttercream, and nothing. I have no more SB to spare :'D



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Natanocte (#61)

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2017-09-16 12:15:50
Maybe supernal could be in madagascar somewhere?



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2017-09-16 12:16:59
I wanted to try Supernal x Ivory, but I ran out of spare SB to do it :'D
But it sure looks like it could be...



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Natanocte (#61)

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2017-09-16 12:20:20
Ohhhh.

Supernal x Unholy = Madagascar

Used some randomly searched lions with the bases




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Edited on 16/09/17 @ 12:21:03 by Natanocte (#61)

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2017-09-16 12:21:30
Nice! Now we have it even on both sides, only another two bases are missing for Madagascar!



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2017-09-16 12:43:25
Scryed/failed:
Unholy x maroon, cameo, lilac, hallowed.
Xanthic x opal, prune, inferno, ivory, topaz
Fulvous x glacial (idk lol)
Ashen x dinar, champagne
Ivory x anjeer, supernal, Xanthic, prune
Maroon x ebony, onyx, unholy
Sulphur x blazing
Ivory x auburn, blush rose
Cinnabar x umber, topaz
Topaz x opal, nacre, moonstone, hallowed, Xanthic, teardrop, sunshine, hematite

That's not 100% true though, I give it 30~ tries and give up.
I'll check all the specials first and then I guess I'll try commons...



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Edited on 16/09/17 @ 13:46:14 by The Fading Shade (#93497)

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2017-09-16 12:50:15
Damn, those are a lot! Thanks for talking the time, Shade, but there's no need to spend all your SB on it.



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2017-09-16 12:53:23
I'm doing that to please myself :D
But I'll share cause why not

P.s. I have a feeling that xanthic is involved, just can't find its pair



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Edited on 16/09/17 @ 12:54:40 by The Fading Shade (#93497)

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2017-09-16 13:04:48
I changed my king to Topaz last night, and did a bunch of scrying today with red specials but no other luck on discovering other citrine combinations after dumping about 2k SB on it. ;_;



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2017-09-16 13:21:41
Damn. Well, it's only the first day after news, we managed to find a lot xD



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Msasi (#21461)

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2017-09-16 13:59:46
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Ivory x Sapela = Madagascar

Scry'd using dad and mom

(Since Shedua and Sepia were already found, figured I'd give Sapela a shot since it is the light shade version of those two and it worked, yay!)



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2017-09-16 14:01:32
Oooh, thank you Msasi!



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2017-09-16 14:07:52
Gratz Msasi!

As I've discussed with Bere on Discord, I personally suspect that most if not all low pass rate Special bases [Ice, Unholy, Supernal, Fiery...] are involved, plus some breed-only [Slate, Topaz, etc], so for the less understood combo bases that remain we could try to focus on those hard-to-breed culprits first! ;D Just a theory though



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Edited on 16/09/17 @ 14:09:16 by Agryo [Side, F7Silver breeder] (#84746)

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2017-09-16 14:10:41
Guys, with that last base added to a side of Madagascar.... We have 4 Red bases there. Plus another Red base in the other side. Just like with Cairngorm with Black :O

This is a thing...!



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Natanocte (#61)

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2017-09-16 14:35:07
I have the feeling bloodbourne may be one of the bases for madagascar, even if it isn't out yet.



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