Posted by July bases' genetics adjustement

Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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2017-10-16 13:48:57
With the introduction of the latest July base, Sunset, me and some friends thought about how unbalanced they are currently distributed in the color groups - three in the Black group, one in the Red, and none in the remaining ones, even though some would be right at home in another color group. So, why not change their genetics? I know, I know, it'd probably ruin some ongoing breeding projects, but it's nothing we haven't experienced already, so I don't see why we cannot adapt again.

The actual idea is as follows: Celestial base genetics would remain as they are, Black Dark Countershaded Special, and so would Sunset's genetics, those being Red Medium Countershaded Special, but Sidereal and Skyward would get a little tweak: Sidereal would belong to the Cream group, so its genetics would be Cream Medium Countershaded Special - and thus filling a void in the chart -, and Skyward would be changed to fit into the Golden group as a Golden Light Countershaded Special base.

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This suggestion has 127 supports and 77 NO supports.



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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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2017-10-17 14:43:11
The bases have been released, valued, and bred for too long for any genetic changes to happen now without lioden getting a lot of negative reception, and possibly losing a lot of GB (both people quitting, people no longer paying irl money for breeding these bases, ect). Besides, whilst skyward could possibly be a cream base, it shares no resemblance with gold nor does sidereal resemble gold and cream genetics.
And divine won by a landslide (2k votes) for the new bases, though honestly thats more because it looks amazing, whilst the others just... don't. Honestly, if you replace astral and heavenly with a better two gold and cream bases (maybe something like a sun eclipse base and a bright creamy astral base), I don't think anyone will complain. That would be a far better solution imo, replace the ones which are yet to come (and aren't as popular as divine), not the ones which are here.



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2017-10-17 15:02:25
@Blue Pigeon

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I don't think people would rage quit the site if this were to be implemented - for the sole reason that it was implemented. The same way you select lionesses and lions to breed for them in their current groups, you could do after it was implemented, it if ever is. I get that it'd be upsetting, but so is for those that want them to be more spread color group wise the fact that there is a waiting time of 4 years for things to maybe change, and spread the July bases over the rest of color groups, and this is a simple way to even things out.

If I recall correctly, the poll wasn't meant to choose between Astral, Heavenly or Divine to pick a winner and discard the rest, but to pick the order they'd be released. I for one would be disappointed if Heavenly wasn't released, and I'm sure those that voted for Astral would be, too. I agree the Skyward we get in our lionesses resembles more a cream base than a golden, but the coat Menhit sports really looks golden, and if we have to pick between Celestial and Sidereal to switch color group to Cream... Sidereal seems more likely.



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2017-10-18 04:41:52
Honestly Sidereal just isn't a Cream base, and Skyward isn't a Golden base. I'd support if Sidereal was left in the Black group and Skyward were moved to the Cream group. And perhaps one year we could have a Gold base released, instead of trying to fit bases that just don't really belong?



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2017-10-18 06:22:05
@Typhon

I'd personally be very happy with that, changing Skyward to cream and add another golden base as a July one.



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2017-10-18 09:00:24
Personally, even as a Cream and Golden breeder (Kiman and Pearl) I wouldn't be happy with the change. Just a personal opinion I was sharing to explain why I wasn't supporting.



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2017-10-18 09:03:22
@Typhon

Totally understandable, and I apreciate it a lot. I just like replying to comments when I'm able. The idea posted was discussed with other players, but I guess I felt like sharing my opinion, too. I apologize if it came across as pushy.



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2017-10-18 10:51:57
I would totally support this, but I just started a sidereal breeding project a while ago. I've seen some of the hard work a few people have been through and it would be very unfortunate to have to get all new lionesses for it. :/ So I'm not going to take a side for now, though I think it is a great idea.



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2017-10-18 11:00:03
@Quake

It would have been awesome if someone had suggested it earlier, it would have saved everyone a lot of effort. But thanks for the feedback



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2017-10-21 07:52:10
rather see new bases in those groups lacking than to change what already exists.



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2017-10-21 07:52:44
@Herdy

Totally understandable.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-10-21 19:24:48

No support, I don't breed them but it would mess far too many people up; however, I would support a suggestion to make more non-black grouped celestial lions.




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2017-10-22 01:28:01
@Heda

That'd be fantastic, if only it didn't take so much time to get even with the rest...



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2017-10-22 10:00:38

I think most of the problem is that its almost traditional for our celestial bases to be black grouped. This sunset base threw a wrench in the machine, and I think opened a door for new bases. I personally don't want it to even be even, since the point is for them to be celestial (which usually inclines something dark/black), but I would be ay-okay with them doing exactly what they did with sunset and releasing a single base just so everyone has something to go for with the Wish Upon a Star ladies. If there was just a single red, single cream, and single gold mixed in I think it would be good. (Also, it would keep their rarity better since it wouldn't be split like the dark base is because you gotta be like "Do I want celestial, skyward, or sidereal?...". If there are only one of the color group everyone will be going for it, but there will be a limited supply. I think sunset was a good example on it (The blacks are still valuable upon release, I'm just pointing out that if you breed darks you have a split choice). If that makes sense.




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2017-10-22 10:33:59
@Heda

I understand that if they kept the bases to the night, starry theme it'd make some sense to keep those in the Black group, but only if you look at Celestial and Sidereal, but Skyward doesn't look the part of a Black base very much. Even then, with so many colorful images from space that have more colors to them than black and white - clusters of stars that are incredibly bright, shining white, gold and blue, others that have an orange and red tint to them, dust clouds that are literally of every possible color... Limiting them to the Black group or giving it the most of them simply because space is Black seems incredibly unfair to me.

Just look at these: This one could inspire a Celestial Cream base, for example AHKPqRe.jpg this other one could inspire a Golden one j7ypazk.jpg and this last one could inspire another red. YWmJdVF.jpg Space is full of colors, outside of what the human eye can se usually, with all the pollution around.



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2017-10-22 10:55:25

I had a mind explosion moment looking at those images. What if that's what the admins are using for the bases though. Hear me out. When you look at these images, yes, there are some explosions of color, but what is the main thing you see? A lot of black. So what if that's what they're doing, and why they gave us a red base. The majority is black, but they're starting to give us little explosions of color. It's just a thought.




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