Posted by Iridescent Gradient and Existing Base Adjustment

Alma (#7695)

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2017-12-11 19:46:30
Hello, fellow Liodenners! I, like many of you, have been following the Iridescent debate with great interest, and after some consideration, I think I might have some suggestions that most of you might support. As I began to think about what Iridescent could mean for me, I decided that, while I think it would be disastrous as a color group, I think it would be great as a gradient as other players have suggested. To view the original two threads, click on these:
Natanocte's Original Suggestion
From Xy's News Post


If you're like me and you've decided that Iridescent as a gradient is an intriguing idea, I'd like to propose that bases' gradients are sorted by the following simple criteria:

* The base displays one color or the overall impression of one color with little to no shift in color = Solid, like Onyx
* The base displays two colors that shift from one to another = Countershaded (perhaps we shorten it to "Shaded"?), like Fiery
* The base displays three or more colors that shift from one to the next = Iridescent, like Nacre


While I began the daunting task of sorting the existing bases, it quickly became apparent that this model needed filling out, and I realized that this could be a perfect opportunity to showcase the FABULOUS bases that have been suggested in our forums! As I thought a little more, I considered that it has been bothering me that the Golden and Cream shades have been needing some serious TLC for awhile now, and I'd seen, loved, and supported so many of these in the forums. I knew what I needed to do: I contacted each of these amazing artists for permission to place their bases into this chart to showcase them and prove how vibrant and wonderful this chart could be with them included!

I also wanted to suggest moving a few bases whose placement didn't sit right with me, namely Bloodborne, which I'd love to see moved to Red/Dark/COUNTERSHADED/Special, Cairngorm, which would look better as Black/Light/COUNTERSHADED/Special, and the proposed Honey, which I see as a CREAM/Dark/Solid/Common, Mauve, which I see as a Red/Medium/Iridescent/Common, Cherry Blossom, which might be nice as a Red/Iridescent/Light/Special.

With that said, here's what the color charts could look like if they were expanded to accommodate an Iridescent gradient, some lovely user-created bases, and a few placement readjustments. The bases with a heavy, black border and are represented with lionesses are user-created.

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* Eclipse, Silk, Charcoal, Cloud, Alabaster, Ocean, Ink, and Chiffon created by cake, #53239
* Fallen created by Natanocte, #61
* Velvet created by lex, #56485
* Mountain created by Cannibal Chaos, #18906
* Charcoal, Black Ice, and Snowflake created by kite, #3540
* Chiaroscuro, Cygnet and Grizzly created by Snowboa, #360


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*Parmesan, Satin, Meringue, Lumber, Carob, Peanut, Shellac, Chalk, Feldspar, Granola, Magnolia, Sugar, Powder, Oyster, Peridot, and Porcelain created by cake, #53239
* Kavu, Zemvelo, and Asada created by Natanocte, #61
* Radiance created by Cannibal Chaos, #18906
* Andromeda and Astraios created by lex, #56485
* Red Dun, Mud, Smoky Cream, and Buckskin created by kite, #3540
* Barley, created by Snowboa, #360


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* Maple, Soy, Embers, Pumpkin, and Cardinal created by cake, #53239
* Cranberry, Tafaha, Bewitched, and Imbe created by Natanocte, #61
* Pecan Pie and Himbasha created by Cannibal Chaos, #18906
* Firebrand, Red Fleabitten, and and Violet Liver created by kite, #3540
* Bloodwood, Rosewater, Rhubarb, and Padparadascha created by Snowboa, #360


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*Dijon, Medallion, Honey, Flax, Citron, Walnut, Antique, Marigold, Canary, Dandelion, Corn, and Maize created by cake, #53239
*Damu, Ailurus, Dhahabi, Maziwa, Muzlala, Wahushi, Gilded, Mobola, Cervine, Anubian, Avarice, Frankincense, Sandstone, Ornament, Splendor, Asali, Caramelized, Marumaru, and Jackal created by Natanocte, #61
*Cunieform, Asida, and Mandasi created by Cannibal Chaos, #18906
* Orange Sherbet, Twilight, and Black Gold created by kite, #3540
* Toast created by Snowboa, #360



Do you love these user-suggested bases the way that I do? Let the dev's know by lending them support on their threads! Here's a list of threads by their artist/author:

* Natanocte, #61:
Cobalt, Spice, Bewitched, Fallen, Touched
Frankincense, Cranberry, Ornament
Damu, Maziwa, Anubian, Tafaha, Vulpine, Ailurus, Cervine

* cake, #53239:
Maple, Soy, Butter, Shellac, Walnut, Alabaster, Chalk, Magnolia, Silk
Dijon, Medallion, Feldspar, Aurum, Peridot, Porcelain, Powder, Corn, Dandelion, Maize, Marigold, Canary, Meringue, Lumber, Salt
Ink, Ocean
Charcoal
Pumpkin, Cardinal

* lex, #56485:
Astraios, Andromeda, Velvet

* Cannibal Chaos, #18906:
Radiance, Mountain
Cunieform, Asida, Mandasi, Pecan Pie, Oatmeal

* kite, #3540:
Red Dun, Black Gold, Red Fleabitten, Smoky Cream, Violet Liver, Charcoal, Black Ice, Orange Sherbet, Firebrand, Snowflake, Twilight, Buckskin, Mud

* Snowboa, #360:
Chiaroscuro, Cygnet, Grizzly, Barley, Bloodwood, Rosewater, Rhubarb, Padparadascha, Carnelian, Toast (I renamed some to avoid overlap of others' names!)

NOTE: These are only my suggestions: I have NO IDEA if/where/when these bases might be released or placed in the chart!

I know there's already been quite a bit of discussion about an Iridescent gradient, but I wanted to, in my own crude, computer-illiterate, old-person fashion, show what a chart like this might look like in its infancy, how beautifully it can be filled out with event and user-created bases, and how much room there is to grow!

I'd love to hear from you all and don't forget to support these fantastic artists on their own threads and see these bases as they'd look in-game instead of my thumbnail pictures. Thanks to all of you who have contributed ideas, art, and time to this idea and for allowing me to run with it!



This suggestion has 381 supports and 31 NO supports.



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Edited on 15/09/19 @ 14:27:08 by Alma (#7695)

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Posted on
2018-05-13 12:28:00
I love this! (Most importantly, having iridescent as a gradient!)



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Alma (#7695)

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2018-05-13 12:37:15
As always, I value your feedback, Berenos!

Regarding Bold vs Subtle, I'm only referencing the gradient, not the color... Specifically, I'd be looking at the edges between color blends. Those that have sharper blends with more contrast between colors would be Bold whereas those with softer, well-blended edges with little to no contrast between one or two colors would be Subtle. However, it's really only semantics... I think this is my way of trying to cope with some bases being placed in ways I don't agree with... I really disagree with Bloodbourne's placement and believe it confuses the system and players.

Thanks for your support, Firecracker!



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Edited on 13/05/18 @ 12:41:09 by Alma (#7695)

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Posted on
2018-05-13 12:41:26
Oh, that does make sense! I apologize for being so stubborn, forget I said anything against it



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Alma (#7695)

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2018-05-13 12:44:20
Oh, goodness, you don't have to apologize! I enjoy discussing ideas like this because more input = better outcome! I truly appreciate it!



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Maiq the Hoarder (#92244)

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2018-05-13 12:44:49
Let's add Haze to the list of bases in the wrong group. It is in no way solid or subtle, and dark is highly debatable. I'll agree wholeheartedly that black countershaded does not need more love right now, but Haze does nothing to satisfy my desire for more black solid bases. Ashen especially needs company because it's really the only Light/Solid/Special in Black.



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Alma (#7695)

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2018-05-13 12:56:54
I'm with you, Maiq... NEITHER of these (Haze nor Trophy, both lovely), are Solid. I'd place Haze as Black/CS/Medium and Trophy as Gold/CS/Dark, but if Iridescent was implemented, I'd do Trophy as Gold/Iri/Dark. We need to solve the Solid problem better than this, or we risk irreparably damaging the criteria of be system, rendering it confusing instead of intuitive the way I planned.

I'd actually be happy seeing Counershaded simply called "Shaded", as true countershading involves a dark topline gradually lightening to a white or near-white underside, and our non-Solid bases are so much more than that simple pattern.



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2018-05-14 00:54:03
How about iridiscent, shaded and stark as gradients? Shaded would be what currently is countershaded, stark would be what currently is solid, and iridiscent for the super-bold ones that don't fit in in neither :0



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Alma (#7695)

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Posted on
2018-05-14 17:39:15
I'd be down with that for sure, Berenos!



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Kharukh (#54803)

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Posted on
2018-05-20 13:21:35
Support!



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Alma (#7695)

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Posted on
2018-05-27 10:20:19
Thanks, Kharukh!



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Black Rhinoceros (#68593)

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2018-05-27 10:25:52
Okay...First of all, HUGE support! Second...are these real bases we are getting? Feel free to shove some of my combo bases in there!



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Alma (#7695)

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2018-05-27 10:39:12
Thanks again, Black Rhino! I have no idea how many of these proposed bases might make it into the game, but many of them have or are slated to join Lioden, which I am super-excited about!

My time on this game is a lot more limited than it used to be, but I hope to get to add more bases to the ol' charts soon! The Iridescent portion needs filling out, for sure.



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KalikaRoo31 (#89224)


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2018-05-28 17:12:02
This is a very well thought out And well put together presentation I would love to see iridescent added to the game. So I will support.

But personally I like the idea of it being a color gourp better. I know that won't happen I just wanted to throw it out there.



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Alma (#7695)

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2018-05-28 17:17:58
Thanks, Kalika! I appreciate the kind words and share your enthusiasm (this wasn't my original idea, but I took it and ran with it with permission from the original posters and added a lot of "goodies" from some super-talented artists).

As a color group, Iridescent really unbalances my original model and would have to be forced to envelop too many bases that would really belong in Black, Red, Cream, or Golden, and because I so strongly oppose this change, I had to get involved. As a gradient, it makes a lot of sense, and so I really like Berenos' suggestion to use it as such.

I don't get a lot of time to myself, but I hope to add a lot more bases to fill this chart out in time.

Thanks again for your input! I enjoy discussing these things, as the end results always turn out better as a result.



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KalikaRoo31 (#89224)


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2018-05-28 17:22:29
It does make much more sense to do it as a gradient I hope it gets implemented



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