Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3432 supports and 14 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2017-12-13 11:29:37
This is amazing, not to complicated AND optional, so theirs no reason for ppl to rage over it being "not deredt enough" or "to complicated".



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:31:33
@The Cajun Rogue of Xmas. (#130413) :: I've said it before and I'll say it forever! I am all for adding optional things to Lioden to give people the option to play how they want. It makes it more interesting, and gets you more involved than just doing dailies and clicking a button! It lets you customize your experience to suit your tastes, and lets you do different things depending on your play style. ^^ I'm so glad you like it!



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Dhampir15 (#85769)

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2017-12-13 11:31:53
i love this idea, i almost always have a male or two that are just too nice to kill (or send to their death, cause let's face it, males don't tend to get far if they're not heir material), but not quite nice enough to king and i would absolutely love for them to be the pride guards i like to pretend they are



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:34:28
@Dhampir15 (#85769) :: I agree! I totally give my dudes guardian and seer roles, and imagine them seeking council with the shamans and Sangoma or just kicking the crap out of something that decided to fuck with the ladies and cubbins. It'd be pretty cool to have it be legit *and* be useful.



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Lucius [KT] 🌈 (#86278)

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2017-12-13 12:09:16
I have quite a few subordinate males so giving them more purpose than just sitting there and looking pretty would be nice. x) Support ♥



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Freya (#42480)

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2017-12-13 14:47:00
Yes!! I love my sub males but I feel bad that I can't really do anything with them.. I just kind of stare at them and send them out on patrol. LOL. But this seems like a very fun and creative addition.



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Posted on
2017-12-13 14:53:11
Support!
There should also be decided if this cool downs for this actions will be shared with patrolling cool down and if the cool down is only for one sub male or more.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 14:56:30
@Ezgati (#28391) :: I feel like Patrol cooldowns can be separate, since a lion could very well patrol while out doing these things. And I'd see no reason why one sub couldn't patrol and the other couldn't do one of these.



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Shamandalie (#9434)

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2017-12-13 16:02:10
Great idea! This would give sub males a purpose besides being heirs and/or patrol.



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Micah 🌈 (#29140)

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2017-12-14 03:26:18
I was so worried this would be another 'let subs breed' suggestion.. Instead, I found a really great idea! You've gotten my support. This might just make me keep a sub, if something like this ever gets added.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-14 04:58:21
@Shamandalie (#9434) :: That's the idea! Give players a reason to want more than just one as their heir. :3

@Ladia (#29140) :: I don't agree with letting subs breed, mostly because what King in his right mind would want to introduce 'inferior' genetics into his pride? If you aren't worthy of being a king, you aren't worthy to breed. At least that's how my King would view it. And I'm so glad that I didn't disappoint you! ; v; ♥



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Toradaeus [Request
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2017-12-14 05:09:55
This is brilliant. Full support.
I love how it adds flavor to the game and usefulness to males but just in small ways and therefore wouldn't be any kind of over-advantage or huge change to the game. Sounds perfect. :)



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Toradaeus [Request
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2017-12-14 05:16:06
Definitely make the cooldowns be separate from patrols too. If it took away from patrols it wouldn't be useful as I ( and pretty much everyone else ) always need to be patrolling my heir, so if it was one or the other I would never make use of this.

But I would LOVE to be able to be doing this with my non-heir males while the heir is out on patrol. It would bring so much more life to the pride. :)



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Edited on 14/12/17 @ 05:17:40 by Toradaeus (Penta Margay) (#49785)

🦋Shinobu [G2 1.5k
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2017-12-14 06:37:07
From an immersion standpoint, this is an AWESOME game! And like others have stated I always have a few subs that were just too pretty to kill off, so it would be nice for them to have a purpose other than occasionally patrolling.



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Amarylllis (#115274)

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2017-12-14 08:48:19
This is awesome! One of the best suggestions so far! I'd love to have this feature!



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