Posted by Making Sub Males More Useful [3300+ Support]

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2017-12-13 11:26:03
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✪ Summary:

Currently, Sub Males have very limited uses. They can be kept as Heirs. They can patrol and bring back stats and occasionally an item. And that's it really. So currently, there's really only one reason to keep a Sub Male: As an Heir you're training up. Anything else is just another mouth to feed and takes up a slot you likely don't need.

So how about we add some ways for them to be more useful?

✪ What I Am Proposing:

I thought it'd be neat if we could add additional little things Sub Males can do to be more directly beneficial to keep. Here's some ideas!

Sending them out to "Rough Up", "Seek Council" or "Stand Guard". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Rough Up" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about beating up local hyenas, a rival lion, or terrorizing local animals or humans.
-----✧ Give Evil Karma; A randomized amount between -1 and -5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Seek Council" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about meeting with other prides, speaking with Sangoma, or seeking council with Lion Shamans.
-----✧ Give Good Karma; A randomized amount between 1 and 5.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

"Stand Guard" would:
-----✧ Give flavor text about standing guard near the edges of your territory and whether they defended it or it was boring, or there was an interesting encounter.
-----✧ Give No Karma.
-----✧ Give either a randomized amount of EXP scaled to your King's Level OR a random amount of SB between 25 and 100.

Sending them out to "Gather Supplies". This would be an action which is on a cool down. 1 hour cooldown, independent of normal patrol cooldown.

"Gathering Supplies" would:
-----✧ Have a large chance of finding a random, common item (food or toy).
-----✧ Have a moderate chance of finding a random, common junk (there's an extensive list).
-----✧ Have a small chance of finding a common decor (Moonlight, Skull Decors, Feather Decors, etc.)
-----✧ Have a rare chance of finding a rare but not event exclusive decor (Up to Admins)
-----✧ Have a very rare chance of finding a stat item of any type (food or toy)

HOWEVER...
There will also be a chance (probably like 25% I would say) that your sub male brings nothing back at all. This is input suggested by Rhodalite (#123309) and I feel it makes a lot of sense! Similar to a Patrol where nothing is gained, or a hunt where your females bring back nothing (or a leg, like what the fuck, girls, there's five of you, c'mon), sometimes they just won't bring anything back and won't earn any SB. Maybe the locals kicked their ass? Who knows! Your king would still get EXP and karma, however.

You would likely be able to do only one of these two options at a time, to avoid making it too easy to gain things, but this is up to the Admins. I'd also recommend that you be able to both patrol and do one of these, since realistically, your lion could very well patrol while on his way to do these things. But you could also have two different Sub Males do these things, so you can patrol your Heir for stats and still make use of your other males!

Per aloiria [2.2K g1 uneven] (#168423)'s suggestion: Similar to patrolling submales, if a submale does any of these activities, it will render them unable to be sex changed into a female.

In addition to all of this, at the suggestion of 🌈Eli (#84653), I am proposing an actual use for the experience bar on Sub Males!

➤ When being sent to Gather Supplies, Rough Up, Seek Council, or Stand Guard, a Sub Male would gain experience the same as females sent out on a hunt.

✧ A Sub Male would level up at the same rate as adult female lionesses, in the same way as females (no stat gain from levels).
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding less common items.
-----✧ At higher levels, a Sub Male would have a better chance of finding more items at once. I propose no more than three, with each item's rarity being rolled individually of one another. This means that finding one rare item but finding more than one does not mean all of them will be rare items, but rather one. The chances of finding multiple rare items at once would be very low.

If a sub male fails to bring anything back, he will still get experience, but I would suggest it be a much lower amount.

With daily type deals such as hunting and patrolling, we feel it is also important that there are reminder notifications. KiwiBerb (#140009) has reminded me of this, and I'm adding it.

➤ In order to prevent a flood of spam in regards to different types of notices regarding these activities, perhaps it might be good to 'stack' them. In this way, if a male is back from patrol, but ALSO a male has returned from, say, gathering supplies, it would display a notification for both at once, otherwise, it will display one or the other. Streamlining the player's experience is important! ... As is not getting buried under too many stacked notices!

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DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR FEEDBACK:
How would you guys feel about limiting it to 10 times a day with 10 SB per extra option, same as lionesses with hunts? Anyone wanna weigh in?
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POTENTIAL IDEA CONSIDERATION:
Submitted by Rae (#148083) :: A VERY small chance that you receive the message "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and bugs climbed in his mane!" or similar. You would receive 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in) but ONLY the beetle currency and nothing else.
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If you have ideas for other things that could make Sub Males more useful, please let me know in the comments and I'll review it and talk about it with you, maybe even add it!

If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 3430 supports and 14 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/03/24 @ 23:49:09 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-09-14 03:46:23
Scruffy Shattered ★彡 (#117374) :: I've a feeling that might be a bit of a stretch to implement. To my knowledge, kings have different coding than pride lions that allow them to actually have the ability to store Karma. I don't know if other lions have it or if it's keyed to 'player lion'. But I worry what it'd effect. As of right now, this suggestion is kind of huge as is and I'm a bit hesitant to add more new things as I doubt they're gunna even add all this.



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2018-09-14 03:47:34
Oh okey :0 it'll just be a suggestion that you could use whenever you want it--



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Rae (DHS) (#148083)


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2018-10-29 07:24:30
Ok I think they definitely need to be more useful and had an idea about this myself (couldn't see it in your suggestions...
What about if there was a REALLY small chance of getting an event that says something like "SubMale was unsuccessful. He fell asleep during his patrol and the bugs are still in his mane!" Or something...lol...
And it gives a tiny chance of receiving 1-3 of the beetles for ANY months event (regardless of what month we are in)...but only the beetle currency?



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-10-30 02:50:52
Rae (#148083) :: I actually think that'd be really neat but would definitely need the Admin's input on that section. I'll toss it up for consideration. Thanks!



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Opposing (G2
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Posted on
2018-11-13 17:12:26
Oh my god yessss! Besides the King and your heir, male lions are useless but need love xP



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2018-11-15 15:27:25
I'm so glad you like the idea, Opposing Elements!!

Our boys could use a hobby, haha.



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Cobrawl (#162051)


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2018-12-29 11:42:44
This seems like a really good idea, I wanna give my sub boy some love, he seems so pointless rn but he was a gift and i love him. i really like the Seek Council and Rough Up options especially.



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Citanul (#43419)

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2019-01-06 20:12:53
I honestly wouldn't mind any of these options, even if they didn't bring back more items! The flavor text itself would be great, and give me more to do with my subs. I like that we can train/patrol them while we wait for our new king but it kind of sucks that you can have multiple subs and not be able to do anything with each of them.



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Pan! {Sutekh Ferus} (#15435)

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Posted on
2019-04-12 10:25:16
Support!



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Posted on
2019-04-30 07:16:13
Total support! Love the idea!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2019-04-30 07:22:08
We finally breached 2,000 Supports! Thank you so, so much to everyone who has supported this suggestion so far! If you are willing, sharing this suggestion or even simply giving it a bump if you come across it and have the time would mean the world. I'm hoping it might get noticed. ; v;



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cass (POOP ME!) (#166237)

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Posted on
2019-05-02 09:47:53
I LOVE
Please implement ;-;



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Ezgati~Crazy Panther
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Posted on
2019-05-02 10:12:42
I dont know why this isnt a thing already!



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babiegoat (#176024)

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Posted on
2019-05-20 07:07:18
I definitely support this idea!



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Chandra Moon (#177803)

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Posted on
2019-06-09 16:53:01
I like this idea. It all sounds very fair and realistic for the main gameplay of this site. I would love to see these options because I feel like sub males are just something pretty to look at, at the moment and it makes it hard.



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