Please; this pride is Pariah-focused and my main is Savage with a bit of Tsavo. I've already heard of plenty of people getting near-perfect cubs that end up missing out on that ever-important breed only mane.

As it stands, these 'Savages' manes aren't usually seen as being too special compared to the normal, just-apply-them manes; I wouldn't be surprised if Royal dropped in value fairly quickly as well.

I think that ensuring that these three [plus Royal] don't have fails would also increase their value, maybe? I mean, Savage is fairly well-liked, Tsavo and Pariah less so, but if choosing to breed a lion/ess with these manes means not dealing with ugly fail manes... perhaps they'll be more of a boon to cubs that have 'em. A selling point on par with a Nurturing cub or something?

IDK. I just want people's projects to stop being messed up by this stupid thing. These manes are supposed to be special; make 'em live up to it.

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I wholeheartedly agree. My pride was purely Tsavo focused on my main and I was happy for every cub I had born with it, with the exeption of the old fail mane, Normal. Now it's just dissapointing to see my loved lionesses spit out Scarce maned cubs left and right.

My current king as well falls into the category. He was the perfect heir, first of his kind. But his mane ended up ruining him a bit for myself personally.

As a breed only mane I would like it to live up to it's name, and not make breeding projects suffer like Agryo stated.

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Agreed agreed agreed. My situation is a bit less intensive but this update makes getting pearl/savages even more annoying. Jesus.

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No support, though this may change based on other arguments. I like the idea of BO manes having fails. From my breeding experiences, BO manes have been very easy to breed. Idk if this was the exact % but before the change, Manes had a 50-50, it was guaranteed to be either mom's or dad's. This way, more effort is needed to get a BO mane. Maybe instead of having fail manes , maybe they tweak it so it's not 50-50, but 65-35? 65%chance to be a regular mane or its fails , 35% to be a breed only.

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I support it, or at least decrease the percentage of fail, I have a savage king and it is incredible that of 9 cub born in a day 4 of them had fails manes and none of the 5 others will inherit the mane of their father.

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@Kat absolutely not. Breed only manes were just fine as they were with the 50/50 chance of passing. There's no reason to make them a headache to get, especially in the middle of everyone's breeding projects. Staff needs to think before implementing things that make breeding projects a headache for everyone.

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There's no reason to make them a headache to get, especially in the middle of everyone's breeding projects.
People are always in the middle of breeding projects, so following that logic would mean they shouldn't ever make tweaks to any genetics, because that'll mess up someone's project.

These manes are supposed to be special; make 'em live up to it.
These manes are special based on the fact you cannot get them from customization. If anything, cubs with these manes should become a little more special and worth just a little bit more, now that they are harder to get. People don't price/sell cubs because of genetic fails that the cub may have, but the genetics that are displayed.

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Lol they shouldn't but they do anyway, that's not really an argument.

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Personally, I don't know anyone who prices a lion on the fact that its base/mane may or may not fail when breeding cubs, but that wasn't an argument I was making, rather just an addition to my comment on the worth of lions who display BO manes.

And, if admins hadn't made genetics tweaks, it'd still be possible to get a crappy Zarbanu from an Onyx lion. Genetics need tweaks here or there, the admins shouldn't have to pander to the users who choose to have breeding projects.

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? You can still get Zarbanu from an Onyx, depending on the mother. My current king was onyx when i first kinged and bred him and some his first cubs are Onyx so...

Listen. I'm all for custom and applicables failing because you generally only see the same 2 manes on the site anyway: Diabolic and Savage. But everything else? No. Special manes should've been left alone.

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Sorry, let me rephrase. Back before genetics updates, it was possible to get gold bases from Onyx x Maltese or any bases that would render it impossible today. You would get most bases from any sort of combination, depending on how the bases would fail, but they wouldn't necessarily fail within color ranges. The only thing I can compare it to is how the albino base works. That's very similar to how bases used to work.

Savage IS a special mane. It's due to how BO mane genetics were that caused it to be so common. That's why I can't support this. I want Pariah, Tsavo, and Savage harder to get, because otherwise, they will have the chance to become more common than if we keep the update how it was.

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Double post.

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I see. In that case, projects would be kinda moot if you just breed whatever from whatever.

And you can't support it, that's fine. Savage is a BO mane, but it's not say...a raffle mane. Every year there's event studs pumping these manes into the community, so it's not like they were ever supposed to be "rare". Tsavo, Pariah, and Savage are Event Manes. Event applicators are fairly common, so it shouldn't be a big deal if they're not rare. That, again, was never the intention.

Speaking of, when ARE we going to a get special raffle only mane?

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I'm not saying they need to be super rare like lethal/leopon rare, but it would be nice if they weren't as common as razor and such.

And good question. Personally, I'd like curly type mane for that. Need some more wave/curled manes.

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If they're not going to be without fails, the pass rate needs to be bumped up by a lot. And not 65% pass "a lot", but closer to 80-90%.

At first I thought I'd be okay with this. It turns out, I'm not, because a good half of my cubs are now kill-fodder just because they're missing Tsavo mane and ended up with Scarce or Crested instead. A cub I'd have otherwise made king turned out with Crested mane, so she's worthless- both because she's actually not worth anything to sell (nothing special about her, she just almost-fits my ultimate goal) and because I will not breed to Crested with an already terrible fail rate with TsavoxTsavo.

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