I guess they just dislike the idea of male leopons having ofsprings, cause of realism and cause it might be negative for the leopon market.

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I support on the condition that staff clarify that leopon kings have zero boost for leopon passing. Not even the same boost as leopon females, just the same chance as regular lions. If they're going to go to this effort and the kings can't produce leopons, why nerf them? Unless staff is planning on adding a second leopon exclusive base to boost their value. Which I doubt it. Seems silly to add this in. I like realism but this is a really convoluted way of doing something that has no effect on the market, assuming the pass rate isn't boosted. Heck, I might want a leopon king if they fix this and I've had no interest in leopons thus far.

Eta: I think a stat nerf is a fair exchange though, seeing as how hybrids tend to have more health problems. If you want realism, there you go. Up the stat nerf, let the kings breed any lions to produce any fertility babies. If staff wants drawbacks, that'd be a fair exchange for having a leopon king, just like how certain mutations like blind can't patrol I think?

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Admin confirmed male leopons don't pass their mutation

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Alright if there is no chance of a king pon passing their mutation then even the stat nerfing is kind of crap. Stat nerfing on a female pon makes sense since there's actually a chance of passing it to a cub, but it's just a bit of a slap in the face if king pons have it as well with no bonus other than the lineart.

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I understand the Goddess fertility thing, that's alright with me since I own a few, but I still don't see the point of being able to breed them.

With such heavy penalization and infertile cubs honestly it's pointless and a waste of funds to breed to a leopon king. Especially when the mutation cannot pass. I understand it would mess up the market, but still. I'd rather them be infertile again.

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Yeah....like don't give us something if you're gonna break it right from the start? It's a slap in the face.

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I could care less about stats even, but infertility? Why bother?

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Good, I'm glad it doesn't pass! I didn't see that so thank you for confirming it. I have no hand in the leopon market but I don't like the idea of it passing from males because it's very easy for someone with lots of money to start a breeding racket with the 252+ territory spaces available, lots of yohimbe barks, IBFs, energy items, and spare time. Allowing kings to pass the mutation makes it much easier to breed for leopons, as you wouldn't even need a rare leopon mother, just an endlessly breeding father and a shit ton of NCLs.

And yeah the stat nerfing kind of does suck, but from what it sounds like their entire reasoning behind nerfing the breeding/fertility/stats was a stab at realism? But it seems over the top to nerf stats AND the breeding/fertility. Dwarves have nerfed agility stats as a little nod to realism, so I don't think nerfing the stats like 10%-15% is a bad trade considering how many hybrids die young in real life (thankfully they didn't choose that route for leopons). And a leopon breeding with a lion is still a hybrid (theoretically), albeit an F2 hybrid. So I personally don't find the stat loss as bad, but I think in combination with the breeding it's over the top. I'm also curious as to their reasoning for this-- if they're nerfing leopon males, shouldn't they be nerfing the stats of the females too?

Idk, it's a really odd exchange going on. Not exactly sure what they're trying to achieve? But I feel like it's a good compromise compared to more or less losing all breedability.

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Support all the way lol I get that in real life hybrid offspring are infertile but in a game with green lions and all the other crazy crap it just doesn’t make much sense. I know this thread is old but seriously cmon

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I'm torn on this one- Yes, leopons can not pass their mutation, have a bunch of nerfs to their children, and need special requirements. I've never had a leopon/tigon, let alone one as king, however I do have some points.

Fertility:
Buy some chasteberrys. Bit pricey, but it's worth it.

Stat nerf:
Leopons have always had low stats! If you're upset the cubs have low stats, than you shouldn't have a leopon.

Infertile:
Yes, it may be a bit annoying your cubs are born infertile- but it may be annoying for someones lethal to die. Dev's choose how realistic the game is.

Energy:
This is barely a problem. People who stud already have this.

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@MoisSock just wanted to mention that the chasteberries/stallions/angelic won't work - it has to be a natural goddess fertility to be able to breed v-v

Honestly everything else would be fine if that little thing was changed - I wouldn't mind using chasteberries/having lower stats/infertile cubs & taking double energy

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I definitely support this. Weird that there are so many nerfs to a hybrid king with no benefits.

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the fact that pons (and gons) need goddess fert is just stupid...? I would understand if this is a way to make breeding hybrids harder if they passed their mutation - BUT THEY DONT? so whats the point? it makes no sense when mutation on the end is just visual thing?

also wait lionesses for real need to be natural goddess I---

I would sorta like to have hybrid king just because they look neat, but they are so worthless as males (like regular males aint already worthless, unless you want them for looks like I) and it sucks--

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Wanted to come back to this post after a while. No support.

Basically- yeah, the nerfs make sense. You're already taking a huge nerf when you're keeping a hybrid male/sex-changing a hybrid to male, so a few more isn't that bad tbh. There's no point to kinging a hybrid, then I guess a bit of "Ooo pretty art" or bragging.

I think at least this way, less noobs who don't know the mutation won't pass don't stud a bunch of lionesses to these kings.

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