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2018-11-05 05:13:12
This thread began as a way to bring attention to the fact that the Golden color group is being neglected in favor of other, more prominent color groups, both because it gets fewer additions and because those additions are nothing like what you’d usually expect from the Golden color group – for example, Green, Labradorite, and the latest addition, Ember.

To start with hard facts: It has been almost a year since I first posted this, and here are all the new bases we got since December 2018:
  • Black Group: Aufeis, Elysian, Rhino, Glass, Velvet, Murk, Leonids, Demiurge, Augur, Noctis, Spectre, Frotbitten, Snowflake

  • Cream Group: Alabaster, Heavenly, Ammonite, Moss Agate, Guardian

  • Golden Group: Maziwa, Ornament, Ember, Angelic, Festive, Hyena, Nudar, Sunspot, Sahara, Victor

  • Red Group: Rough Ruby, Wine, Sha, Rose Gold, Scoundrel, Merlot, Hibiscus, Rhubarb


Final count of bases added from December 2018 - May 2020: 13 Black bases, 5 Cream bases, 10 Golden bases, 8 Red bases.

And the final count of all the bases currently in game? A total of 67 Black bases, 53 Cream bases, 58 Golden bases and 59 Red bases.



If you want a more updated version of this long explanation below, take a peek at the latest lament of a golden breeder here.

To me it feels highly unfair that there is this blatant neglection going on because either a) apparently Golden bases are hard to make, or b) players that prefer other color groups don’t like it and that’s why we get such “interesting” additions to spark interest. And of course, we don’t see Golden intruding in other color groups, to spark “interest” in those in exchange – not that I’d want that to happen, but it’s the principle of the thing.

I like Goldens. Well, I like the concept of Goldens as they were. Nacarat, Goldenrod, Doubloon, Sulphur, Sunshine, and Champagne, to name a few. So, what if other players find them bland or boring? You won’t see me complaining seriously about other groups’ additions because I think they are an eyesore, if they are liked by others, that’s absolutely fine. But we’ve been waiting years for nice Golden bases and, when we finally do, we keep getting these weird things that more often than not are hard to breed or come from a really hard to make applicator, on top of that.

Dhahabi was supposed to be our November’s applicator back in November 2017, to pair up with Penumbra and Fossil, as you can see here, but then, after a long anticipated wait, exclusive bases became a thing and we were left with no applicators for Golden bases except the regular custom ones until May 2018, with Trophy. This has happened again and again, with Labradorite being added on July 2018 to Goldens for some unfathomable reason – though I’d be hard pressed to pick a proper color group for its final design, to be honest –, Xanthic, ect.

Another thing that keeps happening is that all the applicable bases seem to be going to the Solid gradient. Up until Anubis and Bast, there wasn’t a single Golden Countershaded Special base one could apply, and when they were first introduced you could only get one of those per account, as a reward for completing the new June 2018’s storyline – and, in fact, keep being the only ones, as there are no Uncommon ones.

In the original post, I mentioned that, while there seemed to be events dedicated to other color groups, there wasn’t a single one dedicated to Golden: February with its Red bases, March starting with Cream and then getting one (1) Golden base (Chatoyant), May with the long road towards crafting the Trophy applicator and this year’s addition of Ornament, then June started with two (2) Golden bases and one (1) Red that could be used to breed for the Golden combo base Gilded, but 2019 got one (1) more Black with Velvet, one (1) more Red with Sha and one (1) Cream with Alabaster, and make up the factors to trigger the Rose Gold combo base, which is Red. July features mostly Blacks, with 9 Black bases against Sunset and Sunrise, which belong to the Red color group, Labradorite which was, sadly, added as a Golden, and then the Cream Heavenly -, August started with the stud exclusive Ruffian Cream base, and the hard to get Solaris Cream applicator, but also got the Scoundrel stud base this year, September has so far the Red applicable base Locust and the newest Black base, Augur, October has featured Red bases since the big Genetics overhaul, November started featuring only Creams and then got the addition of Black with Penumbra and Nuumite, and last we have December with – you guessed it – more Black bases. And what does Golden have? Hybrid bases and explore exclusive. Nice if you want a challenge, not so nice if you want to go on with your breeding projects customizing existing cubs.

To summarize that big block of information above, Black seems to be everywhere followed by Red, and then Cream and Golden are left forgotten in a corner to be recalled sporadically and, in the case of Golden, with the weirdest and/or hardest to get bases.

I understand people voted in the polls for Blacks to get additions first back in the day because there are a lot more breeders focused on the group as a whole or liked the bases better, but that doesn’t mean Golden isn’t loved by players and that it doesn’t deserve some attention for a change. There are some suggestions in the base and mane base forums that would look right at home with the more “classical” Goldens, and if everything else fails there is always the option to make other existing bases’ recolors, too.



This suggestion has 338 supports and 16 NO supports.



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Edited on 05/05/20 @ 07:36:40 by Berenos (#84593)

Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)

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Posted on
2018-11-06 16:44:04
The news said fossil should be craftable the same way as last year.

Also, pretty much exactly. I had so many Brimstone (and Hematite/Moonstone apps before switching goals) that I could base change any cub for a Sunset or Sidereal project. Then there's also arctic, maltese, and inferno for slightly priceier options. But if I wanted to start up a Mandarin or Kimanjano project? Well, there's Bast. Which I understood you could get 1 of? So... yeah, there's Bast.



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2018-11-06 17:19:57
Just checked in the crafting area and it's there- phew, wiki scared me for a second there. Thanks Bezthiel! <3



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2018-11-07 01:59:31
If you ever have a wiki-related issue again, you can report it here!

And yep, that is exactly my point: while other groups have multiple options from event apps, Golden is left with two that were not intended to be gotten more than once per account. It is kind of pointless to suggest or support other bases if it's just going to be a repeat of Dhahabi...

Think it'd be a good idea to convert this thread to a suggestion, for players to support if they'd like applicable bases that aren't as flashy?



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2018-11-07 02:11:32
Yes! I'd support in a hot second! I would include more specifics instead of just saying "we want more golds", but I'm sure you got that handled.



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2018-11-07 05:28:23
Just edited and converted to a suggestion!



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Agryo [7xRos Ely,
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2018-11-07 05:42:29
Supported! <3

Even ignoring the wealth of 'out there'golden bases and focusing more on breeding. You can't grind for Golden base apps period outside of March and Chatoyant; as previously mentioned, Bast/Anubis are limited to one per account, so you'd have to buy duplicates from other players and Trophy is hell to obtain even with the increase in material drops and probablg too valuable to use on anything but a king or a passable mutie.

You can't feasibly get more than maybe two of these even playing every day all month without spending GB, leaving Chatoyant as the only option you can feasibly stock up on to use on your run of the mill lionesses. And these need to last this non-GB-spending player a year of near-perfect breeders who just need a Special base. Ick.

I know I'm super repetitive here but. Yep. Gotta iron it out for the inevitable no supports; it doesn't hurt black or red or cream breeders at all to give Golds a little more love, we can enjoy our wealth of cool bases before getting distracted by the next new release. XD



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2018-11-07 06:57:31

Just going to quell any possible speculation and say that Honey (along with Gunmetal, Medium Golden, and a few other bases) were removed off of the Wiki's Genetics page as we are unsure of when they'll be implemented. It looks like spoiler bases aren't really a "thing" anymore, so to omit confusion, it was easiest to just remove them for the time being. :)

Back on topic, though, I definitely support this. I've always had a soft spot for natural designs, but the current bases in the Golden colour group bore me too much to want to get into it. I'm comfortably stuck in my (very spoiled) Black colour group, though I definitely would love to see some gorgeous Golden applicator bases in the future! Heck, even a Golden raffle base (in the same rarity category as Lilac, Orchid, etc.) would be awesome, because I don't think we have any of those yet! :o




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2018-11-07 07:50:10
It's true we don't have any raffle bases for Golden either, but I feared asking for those too when we have the hybrid exclusive bases monopolized so far would come across as being greedy :'D



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Posted on
2018-11-07 13:15:04
You have my support <3



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2018-11-07 13:22:23
Of course supported!

I'd love golden raffle bases too! I think, at least personally, the biggest issue right now is lack of nice applicable golden bases. Raffle bases are lovely, breed-onlys and combos as well as the few NCL exclusives are just as nice! But if I already have an heir in mind it's gonna be a looong project to get him with a nice base without one I can apply.



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2018-11-08 02:47:21
So, I may or may not have omited mentioning Labradorite in the post - it's been fixed now.



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Posted on
2018-11-12 15:32:43
100% support for this



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2018-11-12 15:46:28
I think, because of this post, I'm going to work on a massive suggestion, filled to the brim with golden bases. I'm guilty of throwing golds under the bus, mostly because I hate the color yellow - But then again, if there were more good gold bases, maybe I'd get into it. I'll try my hand at about ten or so, some more natural than others, to try and help out.



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2018-11-13 05:31:17
Just edited the suggestion to fix typos and word it better, but the key things remain the same.



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2018-11-13 07:49:34
Thanks for all the supports, guys, and if you follow with that @LittleAntler I'll definetly keep an eye out for them



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