I mean.. I'd much prefer a tailless over something like a mane silky lol.

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Added lowering the chance instead of outright blocking

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Could see outright blocking if the overall mutation chance of lion meat was raised, but it gave almost exclusively common muties and never lethals and/or hybrids.

I, for one, fucking love bobbies and would love a whole den of them, but GMO cows are too expensive to waste on trying to get bobbies and tbh although I know it's really low that "increased lethal" chance puts me off using CRBs because I don't like the unfortunate little things.

Lion Meat should be the "poor man's" answer, considering it's selling for less than it cost to buy in January, except in mutie tracking threads it's cost/mutie rate is somehow lower than CRB...

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No support. GMOs give a high chance of getting a mutation as it is, and removing or even lowering the chance to get achromias, foldies, etc would give some people the chance to cheat the system. If this was implemented, then someone could just use the Red Cock item to guarantee a litter of all males and thus cheat the system by bypassing any and all mane mutations. So then this would leave GMOs to be able to produce tigons and leopons as well as other high and middle tier mutations even easier and thus push the value of those higher mutations further down in the market. GMOs are not that hard to acquire, and many people can easily grab dozens of GMOs in the November event. They are also sold year round by other users, and checking how many GMOs are currently in game one will find that there are nearly 10k GMOs in-game right now. While some of those might be on banned/closed accounts, there are still a lot of GMOs floating around the site.

In Short: Removing the chance or even lowering the chance to get those common mutations will throw those higher mutations even further down in the market. As it is, foldies and such sell about the same as a mane mute, and those high and middle tier mutations should be kept as rare as they are.

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You're assuming the RNG rolls on a specific mutation basis and not "pools". Marks from RMAs roll in pools, bases from rare, common, and special categories roll in pools as well. This is likely the case for mutations too. I used the exact method you're talking about in November to try and get a tigon-- several people did and NONE of those people got Tigons. So no, that's incorrect. If the RNG rolls for common, uncommon, rare, or special mutie, you'd just get whatever is in that categorie. Red Cocks would not affect that.

Fairly certain I said "Tigon situation not withstanding" obviously the oversaturation of GMOs drove prices down but they're usually 50gb or more. So YES, they are hard to get out of season and even in-season you can really get more than 10 by yourself.

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Yeah, that technique would just end up with a bunch of clawless or deaf, or what-have-you, but not an oversaturation of hybrids. And exactly, tigon hype put a lot of extra items into the market that are not easily gotten elsewhere. I don't see that happening again soon.

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Personally, I'd love to stop getting 3 achromias in a GMO litter after spending 30 fucking GB on a GMO. I end up removing that mutation 99% of the time, because I almost ALWAYS use Gnawrocks when I GMO litters and it's completely useless to have a nice looking lion if you can, y'know, SEE the lion.

I don't think it'd be much of an issue if the chance for rolling for the common pool of muties like achromia, bobbed, and foldie was lowered to, say, 20%? Even IF someone used a Red Cock, I'd guarantee they'd almost always end up with melanism, blind, clawless, toothless, OG claws/teeth, or maneless over a gon, pon, or lethal. That mutation pool would STILL have an INCREDIBLY low chance of occurring. People would just get lions that they can actually enjoy for once, instead of 2 achromias.

It'd be great if Fluffy and Silky could be lowered as well, because EVERYONE hates it when they've got 3 AMPs and every single one of them ends up being a Fluffy or Silky when there are 12 other adult mutations that females can get. It sucks when you used to love a mutation but grow to hate it because every single mutated cub you get ends up being that one, and you can't get the others for the life of you.



Zodiac, the November event wasn't what introduced all those GMO's. That was the Tigon Hype event, the one-time event while tigons were working up to release. People don't get GMO's every November-December for free in explore, it was just the one time for the one special event.

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Thats precisely what happened to me. Mind you, we had 10 DUs, all buffy balled, GMO'd, CRBd, Hyena meated, and Black Stallion

We got a bunch of fucking melanisms, foldies, and bobtails. It was incredibly demoralizing.

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You, ah, know that some people *like* your 'oh so boring' achromia, tailless, foldie, bobtail, etc? It's going to be a shock to you, I know, but not everyone like and dislikes what you do.

My fiancee *adores* foldies. They're her favorite after dwarves. Bobtails make me super happy. Lowering might be acceptable, but not blocking, and even then, I don't really support this in any ittiration.

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"You, ah, know that some people *like* your 'oh so boring' achromia, tailless, foldie, bobtail, etc? It's going to be a shock to you, I know, but not everyone like and dislikes what you do. "

That's why I suggested, in turn, increasing the chances on Lion Meat to give mutations, but only these common ones. Because I love bobbies! They're the cutesy. But I hard relate to people that don't want to spend 100+GB and get 3 bobbies and a foldie.

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Oops, thought I was being asked a question/referred to, and was not. My bad!

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I love foldies and bobbeds, but I don't want exclusively those two mutations in a breeding with several high-value breeding items lmao.

If Lion Meats gave these common mutations at a higher rate like Bex suggested, it'd be fine. Lion Meat is a common, cheap breeding item, these mutations are common, cheap mutations. It's a fair trade-off, even if I doubt it ever happening.

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I like foldies too, but I dont like spending 30-50gb to get one in a litter of 3-4 8/

The Lion meat is a good idea, especially considering -- at least for me -- it always fails. I've used several lion meats on the website, only to have them all fail. All of them. Up the success chance of the meat, and there's the foldies, acros, and bobbies everyone likes right there. AND since Meats usually top ot at 5gb nowadays and are available pretty much year round now in the enclave (horribly overpriced) or on the new explore quest, it kinda justifies getting a 1gb mutie from a 5gb item.

There's no justification for that with a GMO. Needs to be mid-tier majority or greater.

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The chances are fine, it's the actual mutie output that's unacceptable. A 50gb GMO shouldn't be giving me Acros, Foldies, and Bobbies a majority of the time. I IBFd 10 DUs, got 60 cubs, and those who WERE muties were mostly commons. Again, very demoralizing. We worked hard for those GMOs, Balls, and other stuff. I get its a game, but it needs to be a reasonable one.

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