I always thought a type of love shack for the female lions would be nice. So any female lions looking to bread outside of her pride could go for a vacation in the love shack. This way once the Cubs are born she can leave them with their father and go back home to her own pride. Just an idea I had. But I would be happy with any reverse breading system.

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I know one of the issues is the person not rolling over, so what if the female automatically rolls even if the user doesn’t?

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I've never reverse studded, but if this happens, I will now!

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I think that's kinda why my love Hut idea came into thought because it would kinda temporary remove the lioness from the owns play until she gives birth.

I did not like all the rules most reverse breading had to deal with and the Fact that I had no say about the Cubs.

But if the lioness was in a separate kind of thing untill all was said and done then every lion and cub went home with the correct person I feel it would be more fair. Or at lease that's how I feel.

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The 'love shack' comment above could be a way around the rollover issue. If a lioness is taking part in a reverse breeding it seems the safest thing is for it to be in nobodys pride.
Make the "love shack" a place you can send a lioness and agree in advance to her completing 3 roll overs regardless of your rollovers, so cubs are safely born, transfered, and the lioness cannot he stolen chased killed or starved in the meantime.

edit: im slow oops

I think there is more complication in how a studding is accepted than how rollover is handeled.
I would imagin the lioness only goes 'away' to this 3 day place after a request has bern sent and accepted by both the lioness's owner and any stud being used which isnt the buyers own.
2 breeding requests potentially being coordinated, its probably simpler to request the lioness first, and then if approved, she will be an option when you go to another lion for studding, and a normal breed button for your iwn lion as if she belonged to you? Lioness should be in the "love shack" as soon as the request is accepted so you have access to her till her heat ends while choosing a stud? hm
That would make her minumum time in any automatic rollovers a single rollover if shes requested n accepted on last day of heat, and a maximum of 6 rollovers if shes requested n accepted on first day if heat but not bred till last day of heat

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Would the lioness while in the Love Hut be available to be bred to any king without confirmation and just a fee of whatever the owner chooses?

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I really like the idea of the love shack KattGothica (#97641) ! Like people can offer up their females and send offers to the players like "This person would like to reverse stud with your female!" which you can check back and select "yes or no" if you like their male and then it can just be done via chat if or how many cubs either side would like to get and maybe the males would pay you their stud fee or a portion of their stud fee so it's fair to the people offering their females? So it would all be done through the "love shack" with buttons and notes between the players?

I hope this is coming out right haha!

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@Vicios. To be honest I never thought about it much because lionden had said they were not interested in doing reverse breading systems. But if the training Systems let you do a private trade I wouldn't see why your couldn't do a private breading. I guess it all comes down to how the programming works in the end.

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If it's going to be done, it needs to be fail-proof before being implemented.

I've lost over 200gb worth of prizes in an "official" lioden raffle because the prizes were just simply eaten by the system, I'm sure people who buy reverse breeds don't want to see their resulting cubs just get munched by the system, nor would the owners of the females want them to simply disappear either.

I'm in favor of an official system, but it needs to have much more support and bug-fixing/testing than the current official raffle system does. If it doesn't, then I hope the admins and moderation team won't punish players for refusing to use it once it's implemented.

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Item/inventory bugs are pretty different from lion bugs thou, for this I would expect bugs that can occure in trades and giving tree cubs. The big difference is lions have unique ids that have their own 'page' in the system while items do not
This isn't to say I don't think it should be tested to hell and back, rather I am less worried

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Hmmm. What if you could set them up to reverse stud in a way similar like your king? Have there be a button that shows up maybe 3 days before her heat. Once activated a box shows up that's similar to the kings. Have a SB, GB, and item box for payment. Now by doing it this way you won't be able to use another player's king but at least this way both parties are guaranteed to get what they want.

Another idea would be to add "wet nurse" to what a lioness can do. They'd basically take care of the newborns in place of the mother. That way mom can stay home while the cubs go to the buyers pride. I mean it sounds good in my head so i figured it's at least worth a mention. Lol

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I like this idea but how would it work for hybrids? As many hybrid breeders like myself ask to spilt if multiple hybrids are born? Otherwise most people won't pay say 200gb for a heat because like first gens can produce multiple 2nd gens in one litter. How would that work if a reverse heat buyer gets all cubs regardless? Would make hybrid heats through "love shack" wasted.
But I do like the idea since I lost 2 Tigons to a player that was to breed and return. (yes stupid on my part to allow lions to leave my den.) But then they got banned and now I lost my 2 tigons to a banned account. If this was inserted it would insure the lion owner won't lose their girl to a scammer. But again there must be a way to make sure spilt litters can be sent accordingly imo

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Hm. I like the love shack idea, but maybe to add to it:

Females have a spot on their page similar to the 'secure' feature, that enables reverse studding on that female. If a female has that feature enabled, going to her page when she's in heat would give a prompt asking if you would like to send her to the love shack/put her up for reverse studding. You can set a minimum fee upon doing so, a few basic rules (similar to stud rules), and how the litter would be split should she be bred to (I would think 1/2, whole litter, or Individual Choice, maybe)

Assuming this female is bred to, the female would give birth in the shack, and would either stay there for the five days for the cubs to wean, or a system would need to be put in place for the cubs to go to their respective homes immediately, as newborns (perhaps a role for surrogate mothers? Hm....).

So, for an example. Say I put my lioness Morningflower up for reverse studding. When she came into heat, clicking on her would give me a prompt to send her to the Love Shack for reverse studding, whereupon I could set her fee to 1GB/1000SB, and say I would prefer only clean studs breed to her in a 'studding rules' section, and the other person keeps the whole litter. A clean sunrise stud asks to breed with a buffy ball and a lionmeat. I accept, and Morningflower gives birth in the shack, even though I haven't rolled my account after that breeding due to work.
Likewise, if an unclean stud offered the same, I could reject, and if her heat ran out without being studded to, she would be removed from the shack and back on cooldown.

Like studs, I assume they'd be open to the whole market unless their stud rules say otherwise, but with an accept/reject feature.

Edit: To expand on the concerns above, I would guess there would have to be a system for splitting litters in half, giving the whole litter, or maybe even an option where one player chooses one cub, the other chooses another, and back and forth until the cubs are divided up. Otherwise hybrid breeders would be at a disadvantage using it. A wetnurse or surrogate mother role would also prevent issues with the 5 day wait for cub aging, which most players currently get around by aging them to adolescents. That however is extremely expensive, and wouldn't really work in this sytem I would think, so either the lioness would have to stay in the shack for 8+ days, or the purchaser of the heat would have to be able to care for nursing cubs without their mother.

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@☣Ghasia☣🦂 rosette ferus (#30359) -- It could work for hybrids, that's what I posted about being able to do notes and then select the cubs between the players that you'll be keeping and then you can both confirm it.

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@ ☣Ghasia☣🦂 rosette ferus (#30359)
That's a good question. Hopefully the final decision will benefit hybrid breeders too. Personally I can't think of anything besides maybe a option to send only specific cubs to the buyer but don't know how that'd work out.

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