Posted by The Gorilla Enclave Rework [+537/-15]

jester [im autistic]
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2020-02-04 14:09:18

The Enclave Rework
So, I've had bits and pieces of this idea for a while, but a bit of a tumblr post and a bit of talking with my friends finally pushed me to make it. Like one of my other suggestions, the July Celestial Stone Rework this is aimed at fixing the state the economy is currently in. While the item economy is booming, lions are... stagnating. That's because there's not enough incentive to remove 'valuable' lions from the economy. While the celestial stone is one way to remove already grown lions from the economy, what if we could start with the source, the cubs?

P.S. If you guys like this suggestion, take a look at this suggestion that deals with Enclave pricing.

The Big Idea
The whole of this rework would aim at revitalizing the lion aspect of the economy. This would be done through gorilla quests similar to the Difficult+ level of quests, and adding more things that the gorilla can request, such as breed-only eye colors like draconid. And if the gorilla can request those things, the frequency needs to be severely adjusted. It also aims at making the enclave more convenient. Let's go ahead and get started.
NOTE: Combo Bases would be excluded. No reason to have the gorilla ask for combo base cubs


Fixing The Economy
When you hear about the economy, what do you think about as being a problem? Is it the overabundance of rosette lions, or how about the fact that breed-only eye colors are basically meaningless now due to how wide spread Dawn, Starshine, and Draconid eyes are?
This is what this part entails. The Gorilla should be able to ask for breed only traits at ANY level.
My point is, the gorilla enclave should be a sink for cubs and a way to remove lions from the economy. It should have a similar purpose that the January event has- to remove silver beetles from the economy and protect against inflation, but only in this case, it would be preventing lion prices from dropping drastically. And the gorilla did work, to the point where the Dun mane color only has 57 non-king lions in game with it at the time of this post. Meanwhile, a breed only mane, let's use Citrine for an example, has 1,000 non-king lions with it. There's a problem here. A massive, massive problem. There should not be 1,754% (please correct me if my math is off) MORE lions with a Citrine mane than a Dun mane, especially since Citrine is breed-only, while dun can come from any NCL or Rolled King.

TL;DR: Make the gorilla able to request breed-only traits, and exclude Custom traits from the damn thing entirely. Noctis Pelage has more lions with the marking in a single slot than Noctis Cover has entirely in game, in all ten slots.

Quality of Life Changes
First and foremost, yes, this includes the awfully sought after change you were all wondering about- under this rework, Enclave Quests WILL change at rollover instead of every 24 hours. No other daily feature on the site is measured by hours, it all resets at rollover. Even wet/dry seasons change at rollover. There's no reason why Enclave Quests should be every 24 hours.
Next up is adjusting the cost of the items- there's no reason for Lion Meat to cost as much as the Feline Apps- Lion Meat sells for 2-5GB based off the time of year, Enclave Apps sell for up to 60GB.
MT should also be transferrable between accounts. Every other “limited” currency is. The not transferring it block doesn’t make much sense, given how most of the items (other than Jolly Pose + Apps) can be obtained other ways year round. (thank you booty scouting and serval for reminding me to add this)
The price of skipping a quest should also be reduced- given how limited some mane colors are in game (cough, Dun), it'll be hard to find any lion in TC with that mane color, much less a cub in game with it. I think it should be dropped to about 50-75sb.

TL;DR: Reset at rollover instead of every 24h, item cost adjustment, 'skip quest' cost reduce, MT transfer between accounts.

Closing
If you've read all of this, thank you for paying attention to my rambling. I'm a newer player on Lioden, but I've noticed all of these problems just specifically with Gorilla Enclave. It's annoying when you're given a quest that has no lions on TC for it, and then you have to pay more than most fodder cubs are even worth, and then risk having to pay it again because the Gorilla only asks for NCL or Custom manes, even though almost no one puts those on their kings willingly, which then means the amount of cubs with them born are reduced with each coming generation (as soon as I get the money, I plan on changing my King's mane to Dun, after I found out how bad the problem is while making this post).
As with all of my suggestions, if you have any ideas or criticism, please let me know. I know this would be a fair bit of coding, but if we don't do something about the economy now we will be paying for it later on when it completely stagnates. I don't have a happy note to end this on, just that something needs to be done before it basically becomes 'itemden'.

Additional Ideas
- The ability to send multiple cubs per day. One daily quest which awards Monkey Teeth, and then a place to send fodder cubs for small rewards, such as small amounts of SB or even high-use carcasses. From #41669
- A timed cub sink, similar to the Lioness Quest, where you are rewarded for foddering a certain amount of cubs within the time limit. From #70500

THREE YEARS LATER EDIT WOAAAAH
wow. i'm not a new player anymore.. i still stand by this suggestion though. enclave is so bad at its job of removing cubs from the economy it's almost laughable. while you're here, check out my other fodder suggestion, the collector and the clan based off of it




This suggestion has 555 supports and 15 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/12/23 @ 02:04:01 by jester [im autistic] ☘️ | 🇵🇸 (#187561)

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Posted on
2020-05-26 17:33:30
Support!



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Fox (#121014)

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2020-08-19 12:26:08
I'm not a huge fan of forcing something to be rare bc its felt like it has to be - by the whole breed only thing - that also can cause more issues as people, regardless of how many there are, will most likely always price 'breed only' traits higher because you need at least one available to you in order to breed it.

The other changes I'm 100% in support of. I agree that feline applicators .ect should be a tad more accessible - and it takes forever and lots of money put into buying or using cubs being able to get around 7MT every 24 hours doing the difficult quests.



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Cyanide 🌒 {Cream
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Posted on
2021-02-03 15:30:16
So I have a thought and I just want to know what you think! You were saying cheaper to skip but for the rework, what if no skip available? The reason is if it requests a valuable lion, people will just skip it and do another and keep that lion, which defeats the purpose of requesting it-unless the rewards were greater? (And you may have mentioned that, I skimmed bc brain no worky shfgshdvdgs) I mean obvs it would reset at RO anyway. Idk. I'm not sure what the answer is to this particular part, just something I've thought of before and I'm not sure how to fix.

I agree with a lot of this, especially being able to do multiple quests a day. I have so many cubs that I just chase and if I had a way to yeet the more valuable cubs that I don't want in circulation (like cubs with project marks that aren't useful as breeders) that would make my life so much easier. Like, yes, I can just chase them, and I do....but I also abandon cubs that are semi-nice and I feel like the tree is just overrun, and this is a good alternative so you're not just throwing away all the money spent on breedings and also not clogging the tree/TC with cubs that are overall useless. The lion market needs help, and this could be a way to do it.



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Dalton 🖤 ORCHID
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2021-07-17 11:39:40
Literally was thinking about something similar the other day. A Ultra Difficult setting like the mutation quest you get randomly sometimes, but all the options are for rosettes, any special base, or any mutation.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-09-19 17:16:12
So I'm bumping this because:

- This past month, the Gorilla has been requesting primarily male cubs. I want to say 8 out of every 10 times I do a gorilla quest, it requests a male.
- The gorilla is primarily requesting bases, manes, eyes and ESPECIALLY markings that are *not* for sale, let alone on male cubs.

I understand that this site is undergoing a recode, but I desperately wish the team would start focusing on fixing issues like this. Please unlock the GE. Let the gorilla request a wider variety of bases, eyes, markings, manes and PLEASE look into why it's requestion so many male cubs.

Few people see a reason to sell males unless they're a mutation or rare base or marks. I am not paying 5 GB to get the only Dun Mane male that exists for the fricking GE quest.

Remember all those weird tail carving and spotting marks that were released? It almost always requests those when asking for markings. Next to nobody breeds these.

I'm beggin you, fam. It's NOT fun spending 700+ SB a day trying to get a damn quest I can actually do.



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Edited on 19/09/21 @ 17:41:53 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-09-19 17:42:34
Back again to inform you I just re-rolled my GE quest for a Male Cub with Tan Eyes and got it asking me AGAIN for a Male Cub with Tan Eyes.

And rolled again to get-
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I am so tired.
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Please.
Fix.
This.



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Edited on 19/09/21 @ 17:45:54 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

Bailysis (#71958)

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Posted on
2021-09-21 12:33:25
support! And Nadir, I feel your pain.

Thalath had a great point where only one cub a day doesn't really do anything. I'd really like the ability to give away multiple cubs a day for a small reward. Magnituda had another point where GE should request aspects (bases, markings, etc) based on the number of lions that have them, not the tier or rarity of the aspect itself.

Here's my suggestion:

Every day, you are able to submit three cubs to the Gorilla Enclave. Each looks something like this :

Choose Cub : ( dropdown menu ) Choose Reward : ( dropdown menu )
[ Hand Cub Over ]
[ Choose Easy Quest ] [ Choose Medium Quest ] [ Choose Hard Quest ]

( [ Text Like This ] is supposed to represent a button. )

If you do not choose a quest, you have the reward options of Experience, Impression, Energy, or 10sb. You will be rewarded 0 Monkey Teeth for turning in a cub without choosing a quest. But, there are no requirements for the cub you submit.

If you choose a quest, the quest buttons will turn into the italicized text :
Easy Quest: find a cub with a brown base.

Once you submit a cub, the entry will turn into something like this :
You have already handed over this cub!

The quests are the same as the current ones. Easy quest? Find any cub with XYZ common base, markings, mane type, etc. By "common", I mean that there are a lot of lions who have that trait, not that the trait is listed as common rarity or whatever. I'm not sure how the programming would work, but there's already a Search feature that tracks how many lions have specific traits, so I'm sure the Enclave could pull from the same data to give you your quests. The rewards will be less than they are now, since you can turn in three cubs a day instead of one. Also, the price of most items will increase, since you will be able to earn more monkey teeth.

Quests are selected individually for each cub. Cubs to not have to be submitted all at once. You don't have to submit three cubs a day - maybe you only have time to find two or something. Quests will reset at rollover. Maybe we could also have the option to "reset" a quest for like 50sb, just like we can now.

This will give us the ability to send away our fodder or otherwise undesirable cubs without clogging up the Trading Center. Rewards are small, but you still get a reward, even if you don't choose a quest. You could kill or send the cub to the reserve for karma, or you could give it to the Enclave for a similarly reward. If you want no rewards, you can chuck it at the Giving Tree or post a thread in the Giveaway forum.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2021-09-21 13:05:05
Solid addition honestly.



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Poachedegg (#208546)

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Posted on
2021-09-24 21:58:13
Support! Right now many “Common” traits are much harder to find in the TC than applicator and BO traits. It is always a struggle when the Gorilla gives me a mane color quest, because NCL mane colors like Zarbanu are so unfavorable that they usually get replaced by apps. Adding non-NCL traits will actually help make the quests more achievable.



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Mandrill 🥭 (#102505)


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Posted on
2021-11-18 11:02:38
Supported!



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Fern [main] (#158699)


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Posted on
2022-02-04 20:22:32
Support. I regularly have to skip quests several times in a row because the custom/oasis traits are not actually commonplace whatsoever. For example, right now there's not ANY lions on the trading center with dun mane color AT ALL, much less a male cub with 148+ stats. Meanwhile th3 same criteria except with elysian mane color yields about a dozen results. This makes sense when you remember mane color has a 50% chance to pass down from each parent, and elysian is extremely popular whereas dun is an oasis custom that hardly anyone would bother to apply... but in that case, it makes it illogical for GE to be set up this way.



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2022-09-29 03:33:56
If the original idea behind curent setting of GE was something like "make NCL traits more popular", it failed. Failed hard. Nobody breed for this traits. What is there to breed in the first place? If I want "unders" or some similar marking, I will add it with app from oasis and I am done. It means no cubs in TC with this traits, and that turns gorilla quests in mission impossible.
It is far more easier to find cubs with event apps marking listed as fodder. Why not turn this into GE quests? Full suppport on this!



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DawnStar (#166818)

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2023-02-10 09:52:19
I'm also going to put it here. It'd take 4 years to get everything in the enclave. As of my last checking. It may be way more now I'm not sure. But even doubling the monkey teeth would drastically reduce it to two years. I don't agree with all of your post but I do agree with it going at roll over it would make things much simpler for me.



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Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

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Posted on
2023-07-21 22:45:40
I agree since it will also make it easier to actually find (hopefully cheap) cubs in TC for the quests.

The one suggestion I don't agree with is resetting at rollover instead of 24 hours. This being because I usually get the quest and get the cub sometime before RO earlier on at night so I can use it the next day for extra energy when breeding since I usually don't have time in the day to do the other things aside from mass breed some lions quick and then go start work.

So I'm kinda mixed on this cuz I agree with the other suggestions, but disagree with that particular one xd Supporting otherwise.



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Edited on 21/07/23 @ 22:49:58 by Jewel Wildmoon (#127341)

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Posted on
2023-07-22 14:20:07
I think it asks for male cubs most because they are most "useless". but a lot of times... yeah, no cub with such traits on TC. when it is eyes, I could find something, sure, mane shape too maybe. but specific marking? lol no. I barely bother looking

support for all



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