Posted by Giving tree cubs and enclave

Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-13 16:36:09
Unpopular opinions time... I was around when Lioden added these features and after a 2 year hiatus... it seems they didnt really do anything to fix the unwanted cubs problem, which is what they were proposed to do.

As of right now there are more then 1000 cubs at the giving tree, you can only take one a day, and enclave will only take 1 cub a day... from what I can see it hasnt done much for the market... so some ideas that are probably gonna be unpopular.

Gorilla enclave
Being able to accept more then 1 quest a day.
I wouldnt care if this was based on difficulty or just a daily limit.
So
adjusted, cooldown idea had... problems
-being able to take 2 quests from the gorilla enclave a day.
-being able to donate any cub of YOUR choosing every 2 hours to earn 1 Monkey tooth. (Possibly with a cap need more feedback on this)
You would not be able to select any of the bonuses that you get for quest cubs.
^^ the most feasible idea here is to leave the quest as is, once per 24 hours (or rollover) AND be able to donate a cub of your choosing every 2 hours, maxed at 6 per rollover. I think this is a good happy medium and still let's people get rid of the cubs they want.

Giving tree cubs
This is the one I wanted to talk about! As of making this post there are well over 1000 cubs in the tree. And you can only claim one cub a day if you even want one. Sure you may find a hidden gem here and there but I'm not sure its... enough. Male cubs are obviously less desirable unless you also decide to get a sex changer, and even so theres still a ton of female cubs, I know I rarely take them.
So what's my suggestion here?

-being able to take a cub every 4 hours. For males with the Fatherly personality, the cooldown could be every 3 hours and/or being able to take an additional cub for the first 2 tree claims.

My bad, this is already a thing.
According to the wiki cubs are deleted after 3 days, I find it astonishing theres still so many, I think people definitely need opportunities to grab more then 1 (2 for fatherlies) a day.
-Or (possibly unpopular opinion time)
.... have the giving tree cubs "chased off." Deleted from the game annually. Either every night, week, month, whatever.
(Edit: So far, once a month seems to be the most feasible, perhaps during the second Thursday in a given month?)

-suggested by
(WCU) Xena |#152934|Β (#152934)

-Having an individual cap on the giving tree cubs, no more then 300 in any given age/gender category.
So once there was say, 300 female adols at the tree, no more could be donated, but you could still donate to female CUBS so long as that wasnt also 300.
I like this cause it would also even things out.
Right now there almost 900 male cubs but only 300 female Cubs, which is very unbalanced.

And if you dont want the cubs you put in the tree to be wasted then theres always giveaways.
I know some people put in nice cubs to.. well be nice, but with the sheer number of cubs in the tree, those nice deeds may go unnoticed for weeks if not months.
(This is just going into the reset idea, personally I think being able to take one more often would also be preferable, I'd be fine with either though I get why people might not like that..)

Cubs already get deleted from the tree so nevermind

I tried to be reasonable and think through these suggestions, I know theres a lot someone can say as to why they're opposed to it but I'm not gonna list out every argument against it here, as I'd rather just see what people think....

So what DO you guys think? Opinions, thoughts and criticisms welcome.



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Edited on 14/09/20 @ 08:54:47 by Phantom StarsX (#92256)

Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-13 20:56:24
Ok I updated it!



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Rappadapa [G2 Torn] (#159680)

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2020-09-13 21:00:05
Sometimes I just go to the tree to take a cub, and then usually just give it back the next day oop

but out of habit I did go there a second time today, and somehow got a second cub? So turns out you can get 2 per day now? (idk if someone said this already)



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Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-13 21:01:19
Rappadapa

Your king has the fatherly personality, which can claim 2 cubs a day.



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Rappadapa [G2 Torn] (#159680)

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2020-09-13 21:04:00
o h we dumb LMAO



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Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-13 21:27:20
You're alright X) it's not like I completely forgot the personality existed earlier or anything....



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pluto 🌌 (#52831)

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2020-09-13 22:22:37
I think that the 2 hour CD for donating freely would unbalance things very badly. That's 6 MT per 12 hours, so it would nearly be the equivalent of a Difficult quest for pretty much nothing, since people breed and get dud cubs all the time. I think that 2-3 per day would probably be fine? There's the matter of trying to make sure that the GE stuff doesn't get too easy to get, since it'll drop their price. Not a big deal for the decor, buuut for Lion Meat, marking/eye apps, all that good stuff, that's not great.

Here are the setups MT/day, based on the Difficult quest, with a % increase next to each of them using this percentage increase calculator.

Current setup: 7/Day
Double quest: 14/Day | 100% increase
Double quest + 2-3 cubs donated: 17/Day | 142.857% increase
Double quest + 1 cub per 2 hours (within 12 hours): 20/Day | 185.714% increase
Double quest + 1 cub per 2 hours (within 18 hours): 23/Day | 228.571% increase

Of course, many people would probably NOT be as efficient as assumed here, but considering there's valuable stat/exp boosts/marking apps in GE, I'd imagine waay more people would likely start using the GE in general.

I'm also gonna go ahead and calculate how much time it would take to get certain items based on the numbers above:

Honeycomb (80 MT)Poses (120 MT)Yohimbe Bark (250 MT)Lion Meat (300 MT)
Current:12d18d36d43d
2 Quests:6d9d18d22d
2 Quests + 3 cubs/d5d8d15d18d
2 Quests + 1 cub/2hr (12hr)4d6d13d15d
2 Quests + 1 cub/2hr (18hr)4d6d11d13d


I may have put too much time into this buuut... fixating is what I do lol.



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Edited on 13/09/20 @ 22:28:58 by pluto [28/30 GB] (#52831)

Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-13 22:39:08
I appreciate the criticism but that's... kind of a 2 birds 1 stone type think.
Alot of people already feel like Gorilla enclave is too expensive and takes too long for certain things, with that said... keep in mind for the quests, people would still need to find the proper cubs.
I had to change a quest earlier just cause I couldnt find a cub with sandy eyes, and most people dont like the mutation cub one (I am fine with it I just hold onto potato primals)

As for the 6 a day, that's really not too much all things considered, and a good option if you dont want to do the Enclave quests.

With that in mind, when enclave was announced, it was described as being able to give cubs you dont want in exchange for rewards... while it was true.... one cub you probably bought was... kind of underwhelming with what people were expecting, and alot of people lost interest in enclave.

And it is a bit expensive, I'd rather just use the GB to buy poses but I use my GB elsewhere but spending 18 days worth of monkey teeth just to get a pose when I probably spent the same amount as 1 GB finding all the cubs I need so it ends up just... not feeling rewarding... maybe that's just me.

And each suggestion is technically separate, they could choose to add one and not the other but even so, I'd probably prefer both on this one, but even just the double quests would be a vast improvement.

And thank you for your comment I see where you're coming from but like I said kind of the point... and possibly wishful thinking.



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Edited on 13/09/20 @ 22:40:42 by Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-13 22:45:40
@pluto
All that said... maybe there could be a cap... 3-6 cubs a day might make it balance more and still help folks get rid of cubs? Along with the cooldown.
As I agree less then 2 weeks for a lion meat is a little fast.



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Edited on 14/09/20 @ 06:14:57 by Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-14 06:28:43
On the "being able to donate any cub of YOUR choosing every 2 hours to earn 1 Monkey tooth. (Possibly with a cap need more feedback on this)" topic, I really like the idea but there definitely need to be cap since it favours huge prides and therfore people who can have more litters.

As for the Giving Tree. I thought cubs/adols were deleted after three days at the tree?



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Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-14 06:33:23
I... should double check this. I havent seen any such thing and theres still around the same number of cubs as yesterday but I havent been tracking it... I have a hard time seeing it going up to 2000 every 3 days but I will double check thank you.

I was thinking the cap could be like... 5? Idk how folks feel about that number.
Lemme double check that other thing though



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Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-14 06:35:12
Holy..
I... I was wrong. Geez ok if its every 3 days and it's still that bad I think folks need more chances at that, holy cow...I had no idea



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Kali (#210491)

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2020-09-14 06:37:24
yeah, it's bad. I almost feel like they should adjust the % of M:F cubs born but that would probably mess up the game...



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Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-14 06:39:38
I think maybe the individual caps thing is an even better idea now. Cause that's still 1200 cubs at the tree per 3 days and possibly would help even it out but yeah i.... thank you for letting me know I am completely baffled by that.



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pluto 🌌 (#52831)

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2020-09-14 08:31:00
@Phantom: that is very fair! The quests can be annoying since you're not always guaranteed to get a cub, so you might have to skip some quests.

With all that considered, I think that the best way to manage cubs with the current idea would be allowing people to donate 5-6 cubs per day for 1 MT and keep the one quest per day? That way, people don't have to spend a chunk of SB on two, instead of one, quests they can't do, and the unwanted cubs being sent to the tree can get funneled somewhere else instead of back in!

On another note, I do think that the GE is too expensive. It's just a thing of balance/Lioden economy, since I don't think we also want to absolutely tank the prices for lion meat. I think that it would be mostly fixed if the MT per quest was raised and the cub donation stuff was implemented, but the raise in MT isn't the main point here, just a bonus.

Also, to quickly address the pose thing, yes I absolutely would rather get the 1 GB and grab poses from the Oasis! I just used the poses as an example for another benchmark since it was the next highest item (although Jolly IS in the GE, huh. Just noticed that. That might be worth it).

I'm a fan of doubling the quests + donating 3 cubs ooor getting to donate up to 5 or 6 times a day. :D

I hope I didn't come off as too nitpicky? I just ended up fixating on the numbers and went a bit off the rails ^^;

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Just putting in another paragraph for the next thing about tree being reset every 3 days:

Hoooly shit. Yeah, okay. That's awful. I do think that it's better to cap it off, but I'm no longer opposed to the idea of a short cooldown thing if it's that bad.



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Edited on 14/09/20 @ 08:31:48 by pluto [28/30 GB] (#52831)

Phantom StarsX (#92256)

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2020-09-14 08:46:28
Dont worry about the nitpicking I didnt think it was lol

That might actually be an idea, to leave the quest as is and just add the cub donate. I'll go ahead and add that

And yeah I had no idea they were clearing the tree that often and it was still that bad it's at like... 1500 today and 800 are male cubs

And no I appreciate your list, I'm not great with math and get confused easy, with the higher items I definitely understood, I think the prices need to adjusted but thats... a suggestion for another day and I've already seen suggestions for it so thank you.



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