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pluto 🌌 (#52831)

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Posted on
2020-11-21 16:52:04

A Guide to Rosettes


or, "How do I get rosettes?"


Rosettes are one of the most sought after markings on site. To help everyone understand more about rosettes and the chances of passing them naturally, I've made this guide/study!

The study part of this is that when I have the SB, I go into the Scrying Stone, get some water, and sit there clicking to see the outcome of two cubs (generally between lions that have rosettes). I record my results, and eventually clean them up so that whoever views this may see it! I have plans to eventually add all rosettes and their additional pass rates in.

If you are looking for the actual study/observation notes, they are on the second post of this thread.

Do note that this is ongoing, and that this may not have your specific rosette (yet). My percentages may also be off, as I'm one person, and sometimes my eyes can skip over things, or sometimes I miscount by a couple digits.



Basic Terms/Knowledge

As of today (January 1st, 2023), there are 60 rosettes in-game, which can all be found on this page on the Wiki.
The three main types of rosettes are Rosette, Soft Rosette, and Heavy Rosette, which are spoilered below.

In addition to this, there are also Inverted versions of these main types.

The main note for color is that the most commonly wanted rosettes tend to be non-inverted and dark. Ebony, Noctis, and Onyx rosettes are always being sought after. However, there are other colors such as Auburn, Red, and Gold. For a better look at the colors of rosettes, please click the link at the top of this section.
Mottled Rosette is a special case. It has it's own design and coloration.


Mottled Rosette

Mottled Rosette only appears on first gen Leopons, and can only be passed down by Leopons and their offspring. This is the only way you can get Mottled Rosette. All lions with Mottled Rosette are descended from a Leopon, even if they do not have any heritage.
Rosettes names are also usually shortened.

They can be shortened into acronyms (i.e., Noctis Heavy Rosette => NHR, Mottled Rosette => MR), and sometimes a rosette is just referred to as a 'ros/rose'.

For inverted rosettes, they're usually shorted using 'inv', and that can be added onto either of the above terms, i.e. 'inv ros' or 'inv CHR'.
Finally, there are 3 different ways to make a lion with Rosettes: through RMAs, breeding to a lion with a rosette, or just completely randomly.

(Note: If you're looking for a single rosette lion, check around the Trading Center. They're typically around/less than 1200 or 1 .)


Rosettes Through RMAs

All rosettes except MR can be obtained through RMAs (Random Marking Applicators), which can be bought through the Oasis for 1 , or by rolling your account 29 days in a row.

However, there is only a 0.1%, or a 1/1000 chance of getting a rosette from an RMA.

If you are attempting to get a rosette via an RMA, you also have to invest in Marking Removals as well since there is limited number marking slots. These can be bought through Oasis for 1 .

This method is best if you are trying to turn a x2 rosette into a x3 or x4 rosette.

Rosettes Through Breeding

Rosettes are most commonly obtained through breeding, however, they have a much lower pass rate than other markings on Lioden. This is also the only way that MR can be applied to a lion.

The best way to go about breeding for a rosette is to obtain an Ochre Gnawrock, aka a gnaw. A gnaw allows you to 100% guarantee that a marking of your choosing will pass onto it's cubs. However, only 1 gnaw can be applied to a lion at a time. If you're using a gnawrock, you can only guarantee double rosettes by gnawing a rosette from each parent.

Ochre Gnawrocks are unlocked in Tier 2 of the Prophet Shop in September, and can be bought for 150 Jewel Beetles. Their prices steadily raise throughout the year, being ~15-20 during the event and getting up to ~50 later on.

Mottled Rosette is a special case in breeding. If you're breeding a leopon who has MR, MR has an increased chance of passing. If you want MR on a specific breed-only base, breeding a leopon with MR is your best chance. This increased pass rate is only for MR on pons.
As of 11/21/2020, from what I can tell, the general pass rate of a rosette marking is approximately ~3.85%. This doesn't take into account possible different pass rates for different rosettes, so take this information with a grain of salt. It will be periodically updated.

To help your chances with getting a rosette to naturally pass:

Check which marking slot the rosette you want to pass is in. Then, check the other parent of the litter and make sure they do not have a marking in that slot, or if they do, they also have a rosette.

As other markings have a higher pass rate than rosettes, you don't want the rosette you're trying to pass to possibly get pushed out by a different marking.

Additionally, you can raise your chances of getting a specific rosette by breeding two parents with the same rosette marking in the same slot.

Random Rosettes

There's also a small chance for a rosette to just randomly appear on a lion, regardless of what markings its parents have.

Currently, there is known reason for what causes a random rosette to appear. As more information comes in about this, I'll update this section.

From my current findings, the possibility of a random rosette appearing is ~0.25%. However, this is without knowing what causes a random rosette to appear. You should not count on getting a rosette through this method.

Current theories for boosting the chance of getting a random rosette include:
  • White undermarkings on either parent

  • Daytime/Nighttime

  • ID numbers matching in some way

Additional Questions?


Hopefully this helped clear up how to get a rosette, how to breed one, etc. If you have any more questions or criticisms, feel free to post them! I'll try to reply to everything I can.



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Edited on 25/08/23 @ 20:04:22 by pluto 🌌 (#52831)

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Posted on
2023-08-25 19:35:27
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@pluto thank you, definitely helped me! I am currently trying to breed a rosette cub without using any breeding items, and you guide has been very helpful with that so far!



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Octavia (#2201)

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Posted on
2023-11-11 17:33:39
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So I did a test based off of yours to add to what we know so far.

I ran 1008 trials with a male with: Slot 3: Noctis Soft Rosette (100%) and Slot 4: Red Soft Rosette (43%) with no other markings. The female had Slot 10: Seal Soft Rosette (100%) and Slot 13: Doubloon Shaded Rosette (14%) with no other markings. So the only possible markings would be rosettes and none would be blocked out of their slot.

I actually I found some patterns that I need to go back and revisit but here is the main data I got for this specific pairing:

Trials ran: 1008
Successful Trials: 82 (4 were double rosettes)
Pass Rate: 8.13%
Edit I forgot to subtract the random rosettes, the pass rate is: 7.44%

Of course, its much higher than what you found because they both were double rosettes with no other marks to override them.

Of the 86 total rosettes passed on (adding an extra for the doubles), 7 were rosette marking that neither of the parents had and they were in previously empty slots. I think this would be the random rosettes.

Trials: 1008
Unexpected Rosettes: 7
Random Rosette Probability: 0.69%

I don't know why I got more random rosettes than you did, I wonder if just by already having more rosettes the chances of a random one increase?
I'll also add that I did these trials between 5 and 7pm lioden time and I did not see a different in how often a random rosette appeared after it became "night" on lioden after 6pm. But we don't know enough to completely rule the day/night theory out!


This was really interesting! I'm gonna have to do this again.



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Edited on 11/11/23 @ 20:02:46 by Octavia (#2201)

AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2023-11-28 20:19:01
#304446083607
Hey can I suggest you check out the last few posts on my research thread? It might be helpful



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WILD_ROBIN (g2
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Posted on
2024-01-12 15:58:39
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Based on this, what are the chances of the cubs being rosettes?

MOTHER (mom was a rosette)

Fertility: Low (59%)
Base: Brass (Burnt Skin)
Genetics: Red Dark Countershaded Common
Eyes: Yellow
Mane Type: Thick
Mane Color: Zivar
Mutation: None
Markings:
Slot 1: Under Silky 7 (53%) Tier 0
Slot 7: Astral Flare (17%) Tier 3
Slot 10: Red Inverted Zebra (100%) Tier 3

FATHER (has 2 rosette marks)

Base: Demiurge (Matte Skin)
Genetics: Black Medium Solid Special
Eyes: Dawn
Mane Type: Royal
Mane Color: Rhodonite
Mutation: Patches (Fringe)
Markings:
Slot 1: Cherry Reverse Vitiligo Mash (100%) Tier 3
Slot 2: White Shimmer (100%) Tier 0
Slot 3: Sunset Lace (100%) Tier 3
Slot 4: White Panther (100%) Tier 3
Slot 5: White Facial 2 (100%) Tier 1
Slot 6: Mottled Rosette (100%) Tier 5
Slot 7: Darken Onyx (100%) Tier 1
Slot 8: Onyx Paw Carving (100%) Tier 1
Slot 9: Ebony Heavy Rosette (100%) Tier 4
Slot 10: Under White 4 (100%) Tier 0



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AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2024-01-12 16:00:52
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Low. I don't see any markings that trigger spawn, the rosettes you do get will be pass.



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AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2024-01-12 16:01:18
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Also. Under white 4 will prevent rosettes from spawning with each other



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WILD_ROBIN (g2
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Posted on
2024-01-12 16:10:21
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If It wasn't the dead of winter rn, I'd pick some dandelions and wish for a rosette.
Maybe if hoard lucky foots I could get oneπŸ˜‚
they're going to be born tomorrow, crossing my fingers.
Lioden gods, if you're listening, plz give me a rosetteπŸ™πŸ™πŸ™



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AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2024-01-12 16:16:48
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You can look through my research thread to get a better understanding of what will help spawn rosettes.



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AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2024-01-12 16:25:58
#304446212506
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429525162 here. I realized it's on my side not my main



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WILD_ROBIN (g2
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Posted on
2024-01-12 16:43:14
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So how likely would it be for rosette marks to be passed down to the cubs?
Based on your research thread, I'm guessing at least 30-40%.
(Probably incorrect, just a random estimate)



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AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2024-01-12 17:24:03
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Im not sure. I'm neither clever enough nor good enough at math to be able to determine that.



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Edited on 12/01/24 @ 17:50:26 by AlexCorvidTheComander (#322877)

WILD_ROBIN (g2
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Posted on
2024-01-12 17:49:18
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I did the math, and there's about a 75% chance that one of the rosette markings will be passed on to at least one of the cubs. For a random rosette marking to appear, it's around 20%.



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AlexCorvid|No-stress
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Posted on
2024-01-12 17:51:59
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And just so your aware I plan on doing more comparisons for rosette Γ— rosette spawn chances with other markings.



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sealsealseal (#464930)

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Posted on
2024-04-19 08:49:53
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Are randomly occurring rosettes (g1 rosettes) worth anymore that bred rosettes ?



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pluto 🌌 (#52831)

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Posted on
2024-06-20 19:52:11
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@sealsealseal - Very late response but no, they are not. Random rosettes are just nice for the extra rosette usually!



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