September 9, 2023: beep boop this thread needs to be cleaned up and the rules modified to reflect the current game. I’ve started the Liolocke and am tracking everything in my notes, going to work on getting this thread, the progress thread, and the lore thread up and running this weekend!

Everything below the squiggles is from January 2022 atm :)

Objectives for current game:

- Survive long enough to figure out what’s going on
- Breed a 200 stat cub
- Reach level 20
- idk figure out a beetle battle goal
- ???? Figure something else out lol

Lore thread

Progress thread

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Hello!

I can't be bothered to format this post right now to be all pretty since this is the first time I've logged in in like, two years, lol. I'll come back and make this look all nice and shiny later, promise. This is mostly for my own benefit because I need a place to write down all my goals.

Anyway, this thread will be used as a general discussion and planning thread for my Liolocke, a Lioden Nuzlocke I attempted at the start of 2020, but well, we all know what 2020 was like. I thought about Lioden out of the blue about a week ago, and thought it would be fun to attempt the Liolocke again. However, I also knew there was no way I could jump into such a big commitment with about a week to prepare.

So, as a result, I will not be attempting the year long Liolocke in 2022.

But I WILL be preparing to attempt it in 2023!

You can find the original Disscussion thread here, the original Lore thread here, and the original Progress thread here.

My current thought is to give myself three months of no rules, then in April attempt a 1-month long Liolocke with a short, contained storyline, then go back to relaxed play afterwards. Then, during August-September, I'll up the stakes and try a 2-month long Liolocke with another storyline, then give myself another three month break and prepare to attempt the 1-year long Liolocke in 2023. The goal during these breaks will be to A, save up extra funds to be used for any rerolls I may have to do if I fail and B, practice following the rules of the Liolocke without having to worry about the punishments if I fail. The reason for this is that I made all these rules without really knowing if these things were even possible. Is such a brutal challenge even viable? Can I even make it work? What are my goals going to be for the big challenge? Are they feasible within the rule set?

This is also the reason for the short-duration Liolockes: they are basically practice. They are short so if things don't go well and I'm not happy with the way the game is going (if I don't find it fun, which is kind of the whole point, I'm not going to do something I don't enjoy just because it's difficult, this is a game) it will be over soon and I can take what I learned to make changes.

And who knows! Maybe I'll feel confident and ready to try a Liolocke in March, or in February! The point of this year is specifically to NOT hold myself to any strict rules, to relax and test the waters without feeling like I have some strict game rules to uphold. The whole point of this year is to PRACTICE and finetune the criteria for the Liolocke so that way I can feel comfortable and confident by the time it actually comes around, and the strict rules feel like a fun challenge, rather than something I end up dreading. (Also, time to just collect some pretty lions and decorate them and have fun like normal! I haven't played in ages after all, lol.)

So that's basically it, this thread is being posted so that way I have a place to organize my thoughts and so if anyone who happens to stumble across it has some suggestions they have a place to do so. I'll go ahead and copy the original rule list to this post. Time to re-familiarize myself with the site and just get back into the swing of things. :)

Rules:

1. I start the Liolocke with nothing. No currency, no items, no lions.
1a. Any items that I have on my side may be used on Non-Liolocke lions.
1b. The Non-Liolocke lions which I will start the game with will be non-participatory in pride upkeep. They exist either to be pretty or are me using my main as storage space for my side.
1c. Non-Liolocke lions are consequently exempt from all rules unless the actions taken may interfere with the Liolocke.
1d. Any event currency which I obtained in the past and rolls over into the Liolocke’s duration shall be transferred to my side/ignored as if it does not exist in the case of piety which is non-transferable.

2. I treat my territory as though it is unexpanded and must be ‘manually’ expanded. I begin the Liolocke with 0 submale slots and a territory size of 2.
2a. Because this is not a new account and my territory has already been expanded, in order to ‘expand’ my territory I will transfer the currency which would have been used to expand my territory to my side and will then have access to the extra territory which I ‘purchased’.
2b. When I reach the point of ‘fighting’ for additional territory, this will be handled by winning a fight against an NPC lion encounter in Explore.
2c. Territory expansions purchased with GB will also be handled by transferring the currency and then obtaining ‘access’ to the spot.
2d. Once I have ‘purchased’ territory up to my actual territory size, I will then proceed with expansions as per the usual game mechanics.
2e. Submale slots, frozen slots, and cave slots will be handled in the same fashion. Previously obtained slots will be ‘purchased’ by transferring the currency which will then enable me to use the slots.
2f. Once I have ‘purchased’ slots up to my actual slot count, I will then proceed with expansions as per the usual game mechanics.
2g. Any territory, submale slots, frozen slots, or cave slots that are taken up by Non-Liolocke lions will be treated as if they do not exist.

3. I do not purchase anything from other players. This includes raffles, items, and lions.
3a. Gold Beetles are the one exception to this. Without purchasing them off other players the only way to obtain them is with real cash and I am not looking to invest real money into this challenge.
3b. I can purchase whatever I want for use on my Non-Liolocke lions.

4. Upon entering a new zone for the first time, I may attempt to claim the first lioness I encounter. I may not attempt to claim another lioness in the same zone, regardless of outcome.
4a. If a lioness fails a hunt, she is critically wounded in the hunt and must roll death saves; if she passes two out of three she recovers and lives, if she fails two out of three she dies.
4b. The dead lioness must be chased or transferred to Non-Liolocke status; any other options would affect karma or currency.
4c. Every level, the lioness gets a freebie failure, in that she can fail a hunt and not be critically wounded.
- 4ca. If a lioness passes all three death saves she is allocated an extra freebie.
4d. If it is a hunting party that fails, one lioness is chosen at random to have been wounded in the hunt.

5. If my king is defeated in explore, he is critically wounded and must roll death saves; if he passes two out of three he recovers and lives, if he fails two out of three he dies.
5a. Every level, my king gets a freebie failure, in that he can lose a battle and not be critically wounded.
- 5aa. If my king passes all three death saves he is allocated an extra freebie.
5b. If available, submales will protect my king and take the critical wound instead, and must then roll their own death saves; if he passes two out of three he recovers and lives, if he fails two out of three he dies.
5c. The dead submale must be chased or transferred to Non-Liolocke status; any other options would affect karma or currency.
5d. If my king fails his death saves a male adolescent must be kinged in his stead to continue the pride.
- 5da. Cubs may not be kinged.
- 5db. If there are no available heirs the pride is disbanded and the game is over.

6. I cannot spar with other lions.

7. I cannot spar with submales.

8. When a lioness births cubs, a coin is flipped for every cub. If the coin lands on heads, the cub survives. If the coin lands on tails, the cub dies.
8a. The dead cub may be killed, chased off, sent to the reserve, or gifted. They may not be sold.

9. I can train my cubs.
9a. I can train my adolescents as well.

10. I can sell items and living lions.

11. I cannot accept donations or gifts.
11a. If the gift is part of a site event, such as in December, I can accept it.
11b. Any gifts otherwise can only be put towards Non-Liolocke lions.

12. I can participate in site events.
12a. Any event currency remaining from previous years must be treated as if it does not exist.
12b. I can use previous years event currency if I am purchasing something for Non-Liolocke lions.

13. I cannot attempt to impress the Special Lioness.

14. I cannot do Snake Quests.

15. I cannot participate in Beetle Battles.

16. I can do quests for the Gorilla Enclave, but I must have the cubs myself.
16a. I can only accept energy bonuses from the Gorilla Enclave if a quest is completed.

17. I cannot take items from the Giving Tree.

18. I cannot play in the Games section for rewards.