Unfortunately there's too many mechanics in the game that pretty much revolve around your king being the only breeding male in your pride. Wolvden was built with both male and female leaders in mind, but it doesn't work for Lioden. Lab test frogs work just fine imo, I have a "queen" right now!!

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How would breeding work? Getting subordinate male slots is extremely difficult. Half of the game is based around breeding lions, and I don't see how one could achieve this with a female leader.

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besides realism, in that theres 1 main male in a pride, and he does the exploring protecting, the games formulated to heavy for male leads, in the way that cubs are more likely to be born female, and the fact that we dont have pair bonds like wolvden, and sub males would be severly hurt in lioden, personally find the having one male to breed more trickly, but a female lead would make it so much harder to breed your own lions, and especially so for studs, even if we implemented a "breeding male" or submale breeding, which in the real world is semi accurate. A lead female doesn't add much to the game overall, except for making the person using them have waaay less lead cubs and pretty much no stud income, especially as we have reverse studs for girls already, so we can already sell heats for valuable girls and hybrids. ofc theres the primordial springs to give an extra heat, but thats assuming you king at the right time of the year, and then ration your rollover otherwise, but that still doesnt give the female much benefit over other girls.

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Support, would want to see this if you have no male lions to take leadership and don't want to roll a new one

- Sub males are ONLY breedable in this case -- but they can ONLY be bred to your queen.

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I don't support just because the lab test frog works fine in my opinion you can ignore the rest like I do for certain "queens" and come up with whatever lore yourself since that adds to the sim aspect of the game

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" lab test frog works fine in my opinion you can ignore the rest like I do for certain "queens" " - Aura/Akela (#208852)

What do you do in terms of lore when your "queen" has offspring? /genuine

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That's up to you and how you want to handle it. I just imagine they are cubs she adopted and cubs she birthed 🤷‍♀️
(My "queen" has had 60 something and it doesn't hurt me seeing him as a she and going about my merry little way

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Add-ons to idea:

- Sub males are ONLY breedable in this case -- but they can ONLY be bred to your queen.
- If no sub males are in pride, then you have a very slim chance to find a studding NPC which will stud to ONE to TWO of your lionesses for free.
The stud will be randomized, rarely ever having any mutations.
- If no sub males, there can also be a chance to find a wandering claimable sub male which you can claim in the same sense of when a male claims a female lioness.

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" That's up to you and how you want to handle it. I just imagine they are cubs she adopted and cubs she birthed 🤷‍♀️
(My "king" has had 60 something and it doesn't hurt me seeing him as a she and going about my merry little way " - Aura/Akela (#208852)

Ah, that's acceptable, but I can only see myself having a "queen" if she happened to be AMAB ( Assigned male at birth ) and Trans, or something like Mpreg but lesbians which the queen impregnated the lioness.

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No support for the reasons already stated; it just wont work with Lioden mechanics. Lions arent wolves.

You can roleplay the king as female pretty easily; put lab test frog on both your king and the lioness you want to be the mate. Then your king will have a female looks, and your lioness will have a male looks; and "pregnant" stage can always be considered as, caring mate helping your queen out, taking care of all her needs during the pregnancy, and then caring for cubs while she's busy with her leader duties. Because in all honesty - a pride leader that needs to patrol and explore, to battle enemies, will hardly have time to care for her litter without a lot of help!

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Add-ons in favor of this suggestion;

- Sub males are ONLY breedable in this case -- but they can ONLY be bred to your queen.
- If no sub males are in pride, then you have a very slim chance to find a studding NPC which will stud to ONE to TWO of your lionesses for free.
The stud will be randomized, rarely ever having any mutations.
- If no sub males, there can also be a chance to find a wandering claimable sub male which you can claim in the same sense of when a male claims a female lioness.
- your queen, when she goes into heat, can also stud to someone else's king, which idk how that could work if I just lab-frogged a main male and make them "queen' and then stud to a breeding male.
- as normal lionesses, the queen may only breed as much times as an average lioness could.
- If you allow a lioness to be a queen, ALL text will be fixed to fit the queen's gender.

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No support for the reason's above plus these are lion's and this is Lioden not wolves and we are not on Wolvden

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Heyo I'd appreciate if someone looked at my Add-ons to this suggestion, it's kinda not fun when your arguments on the opposite side is ignored.

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@Readytest - Respectfully, no, your add ons don't help the fact that there is zero reason to add this mechanic from a wolf game to a LION game. Additionally, it just makes zero sense - its a breeding game. A female lead lion is useless, and sub males being breedable as you're stating is literally the same mechanic as the game with a king. It's pointless.

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