agree with all of the above that it's incredibly frustrating and i experienced the same bafflement (and then realisation) earlier when the star system was implemented.

on one hand, categorising the difference between a re-chased NCL and an actual chased would probably have a lot of variables on the backend and be really difficult, if not impossible, to put in cleanly. im sure that there definitely have been people out there who have chased groupies, customs, and raffles and i have also heard of people re-chasing chased lions.

another possible solution could also be in removing the energy loss from killing/preserving and letting it be what it is- a karma sink. was talking about it with my friend and, between us, if we have ever chased base NCLs it was because we simply didnt have the energy at the time to do anything except chase them.

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Someone reminded me of this earlier, but a reason why they probably won’t make killing/nature reserving free is cause there’s already two personalities that make them free. So making them cost 0 energy for everyone would make those personalities obsolete.

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@reallylongsnake Thats frustrating, but perhaps they could be changed then? Perhaps they could give energy now instead, with flavour texts like

Kill: The taste of blood gets the adrenaline flowing through your veins! +5 energy
Nature: Your good deed leaves you feeling revitalised! +5 energy

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oops we forgot all about that, neither of us have played for a few years lol nevermind then but yeah coding that sort of thing specifically seems like it would be really tough on the back-end, if doable at all without some really weird workarounds.

the suggestion above about changing the personality traits is honestly a good one too!

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While I understand the frustration of finding a “chased” NCL, I DO see some value in NCLs going into the chased pool. With many events, NCLs can get unique, NCL/Event only markings. Some people may not want an NCL with a specific marking, but someone else might be trying to get it. It ups the chances that someone finds that “discarded” NCL with the event marking.

I do like the suggestions some people had to rebalance a way to “discard” unwanted lions that are “potatoes”. Very plain NCLs, boring groupies, etcetera. If there was an alternative, no-energy way to remove them without throwing them into the Chased pool, that would be nice.
Something like the Portal/Murder Stone from July with a dropdown list to more quickly discard/delete unwanted lions could be useful, or just one additional button so that you’ve basically got: “Good Karma - Delete” “Evil Karma - Delete” “Add to Chased Pool” “Delete”

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Additionally, perhaps killing/nature reserving could have drops added, albeit rare ones? While I cant currently think of any for nature reserving, killing could (again, rarely!) drop lion skulls, rib bones, lion tufts, lion claws, etc

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issue is i dont see how this is possible. all chased lionesses, player born/modified or regular ncls, entere the same pool. there’s very little way to separate them. it would be a HUGE coding project to undertake since its not an easy thing to track as all lions are chased by the same mechanism.

surely the easier method is… just look at the lioness, if she’s not a player modded / born chased dont use your item if you dont want to risk using it for nothing? and using any item comes with the chance that it may fail, not produce ideal results or otherwise, like lion scrotums or crunchy worms. that’s just lioden mechanics.

i just think its pointless to have a lot of coders time spent on this when it could be spent on more fun mechanics or updates that are more needed. if you dont like the item / want to use it and gain nothing then sell it or dont use it.

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Maybe go the easy route, make it so heritageless chaseds have less chance to appear in the pool?
Normal chance is 50%, maybe if its a heritageless lion, chance could be lowered to 10% to go to the chased pool. That way it will lower the amount of plain NCLs in there a lot, while still keeping a small chance they'd end up there.

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But the fact that they're heritageless isn't the problem?
Customized, pretty lionesses are also sometimes heritageless.
I've also seen players re-chase high-BO Marked and Chased Lionesses, or NRLC's to allow them a chance at coming back with a fresh heat cycle.

So while novel I don't think being heritageless should prevent a lioness from entering the chased pool.

I feel like at some point we'll just be admitting that anything other than a high BO marked special-based lioness with unique traits is a bit of a letdown,
even if there are some months where Mulberries, Dhahabi / Asali, and new Month-only eyes are more than welcome.


(I supported this suggestion, just responding to some extra ideas that are being discussed in thread. <3)

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Agree!
surprised that its not added before. i was very taken aback when saw a star above simple NCL, even if once got "simple NCL" with evil pose before

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This is a great idea! But I’m pretty sure when a girl gets chased all her records get destroyed, leaving her as just a lion with whatever markings given to her, almost as if she had always been without a pride and always an NCL.

This would be an actual coding nightmare and I’m 75% sure this just straight up wouldn’t work.

I think this could be fixed if players just killed/nature reserved the NCLs they don’t like. If the most players work together to fix this chased pool and delete NCLs rather than chase, it would fix the problem in a few weeks/months.

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Not sure if I miss read but I half support ig? I believe chased naturally generated ncls should not be in the chase pool, but as of right now while they are I like that they have the stars, so I can fail claiming them and wipe them from the pool.

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No support. Truthfully, I think the issue of NCLs in the chased pool should be far more of a community issue than anything the developers should have to 'fix'. If people want to see less chased NCLs, they need to put the effort in to making sure they get removed from the pool by utilizing the karma system, or selling to people who do. If you want less NCL rechases, stop rechasing them, and encourage your friends to do the same. There is 0 clean and cut way that we could exclude NCLs while not risking other player-bred/customized chases, be it from heritage, marking number, or marking type.

Not everything wrong with the game needs to be a dev fix. This is something that could overwhelmingly be remedied by the community. Will there always be NCL rechases? Yes. Is that always a bad thing? No.

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Support. Showing us exactly how many chased are just re-chased NCLs really was an eye opener.

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(Community vs Dev side issue?)

On the contrary, devs do often intervene or consider potential fixes when players stand a large chance to unfairly benefit and/or grief/troll others due to game mechanics.

We can't find Chased we chased ourselves and there's a chance that not every chased will make it into the explore pool in large part to prevent players from trying to take advantage of the Chased system to reclaim lioness they'd just bred & essentially put them back into heat immediately.
(Thus skipping Barks & even the need to crunchy clone a gal to ensure she has a proper chance of passing her traits, at the risk of her being completely deleted if she doesn't make it through).
The time delay was even added after player request/suggestion or dev intervention/observation in response to some being too reliably fetched back.
We can still politely request and advertise that we're offering a reward and that's perfectly allowed so long as the player stays within allowed bounds of gameplay, but you can't sit there on your own churning through essentially a detour of the official game items.

When paired with the potential idea or suggestion that's up for public discourse of raffle lionesses being claimable in explore, the conversation about chased is quite relevant.



Since you can't find your own chased, you could potentially increase your own odds of finding a special/rare gal possibly added to the system by the devs/game or chased by a kind player, as it currently stands, whether deliberately or not by chasing tons of ncl- while your 'pool' of chased could be only a few, giving you an advantage over literally every other players' would increase by (potentially) hundreds that would have to be pulled before those few could be seen.
If it's a random pull, that's 1 of 4 chance (for example) vs. 1 of 154 (if 150 ncl make it into the pool); I don't think anyone is worried about not finding as many chased if there aren't any in the pool, but unless the Raffle Lioness goes into her own special Super Mega Purple Star Chased category (1 of 1 Type in that category per release, the same for all players)- essentially a different mechanic/rare claimable encounter entirely for that concern- the number of Chased in the pool at any one time would effect your chances of seeing her & even if chased are pulled chronologically from the system in order of when they were chased you'd have to dig through 154 along with the rest of the site vs. another players' 4 max possible finds.
Luckily it appears that the reaction to this realization has been by and large to use the mechanics available to 'destroy' and remove these less desirable options from the pool, whether through kindness or incentive similar to when Giving Tree gets cleared out by players during big drops or wiped by officials after time/count is reached, but for significantly better possible reward (like a target announced special gal or a raffle lioness clone for example) or even just trolling it's not unreasonable to ask for some consideration of additional game mechanics to combat potential misuse of game mechanic.

I do feel that complaining of not finding a good chased that suits your taste or preferences for BO marks is in poor taste as it is dependent on other player's generosity, so generally complaining of chased quality would be a gratitude / feelings of entitlement issue and not of developers' concern, but I don't think that argument applies to the potential misuse of game mechanic to give oneself an unfair advantage.

While I could also argue it's a 'player strategy' or 'just a few bad apples' against many good I do not think past examples have shown the game to leave these loopholes, or 'abuses' of the system, open for very long.

Chased stars may have highlighted the issue and shown us how many of these ncl's are making it through to explore as Chased but Korobela (crafting item, even though it's month-locked to August for crafting) and the potential new raffle lioness changes (unknown if implementing or not) being discussed make this a reasonable request for devs to potentially step in and modify.

I know i'm a little heavy on the chased RL example right now but consider it a "Heavy Breed-Only Chased" if that makes the example ring more true to the uncertainty of that system suggestion put forth by the devs to be voted on being implemented.

Absolutely happy to hear any examples of how this might not be a potential exploit of an official system but just wanted to counter the idea that it should stay only a player-side choice/fix.

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