Something else that would be nice:


100SB to skip the hunt timer, 10 SB to add an extra hunt, but NO STAT GAINS beyond the first 10 hunts per day. That way those of us with big prides to feed can still manage, but it maintains the stat balance.

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Ashleigh, that would not solve the issue, since a lot of people do use the extra hunts, because they have the time, for stats.
It has been already mentioned by others, that if you need carcasses, i.e. hunting for food, it is better to buy them than to use the skippings anyway.

The whole issue here, that those people who put effort and time into LD, to raise their lionesses with stats, without skipping, and can use the additional hunts then, get singled out.

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If you limit statgain even further, then you are limiting competition as well, One of the main reasons why most people play Lioden so much and why they are willing to pay real money.
Sure, one can have competition with looks, but that is not my style. I compete by stats not by looks.

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Just knock it back to the original and people can deal. Too much bickering.

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Problem is original is majorly play to win and doesn't add any value to sb.

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Going back to the original way is still viable because no one was really using the skips to grind when they were 1 GB, it was just way too expensive to stat grind with, the issue only started when they got 10-12 times cheaper.

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Definitely Option 2. I primarily hunt to feed the pride, anyway, though the stat gains in lionesses mean I send the ones I want to breed out hunting. Of course, I don't play the market much, so getting high stats is hard enough. Still, capping the number of hunts per day will allow me to maybe catch up, in the long run. And I also agree that a special stat boost item would be helpful for breeding better cubs. GB only, of course.

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The problem, Felicat, is with tons of lionesses already well over 2k and many more at 1k+, you can't catch up with just 10 stats a day if even a fraction of them are hunted. It would take literal real life years with the way stats pass on.

I highly doubt they're going to give us a stat item like that. They already are wanting to keep people from overusing items in game for that.

Option 2 will do nothing but cripple the market and make it entirely pay-to-win because if you want to have stats, you'll have to pay those that have it.

It's already effecting the site. I know I've been on a hell of a lot less. I've noticed a bunch of formerly active people haven't logged in since it's been implemented. The gifting has slowed to a crawl, and the bars aren't moving much at all. This change has done some serious damage to the site's activity and I think if this stays it's only going to get worse. I know I have no reason to play. I joined this because it's one of the few games where I could be a newbie and still get somewhere with work instead of paying already established players to get the bloodlines/stats/whatever.

Now it's not. So I have no reason to play this over any of dozens of other "make pretty color" sites. There's really nothing to keep me here and there are other sites where I can progress with activity, which I can't do in Lioden any longer.

And yes, I know, one less player, whoopie-de-doo, but I honestly think it'll be a lot more than just me who will see no reason to be active on the site.

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Chaos - What's wrong with it being play to win? Is that not how most games operate? o-0
The more time and effort you invest into anything, the more of a return you should reasonably be able to expect. I would be sad to see the SB sink go, I've noticed a small drop in GB sale prices (1500 to 1350-1450, not much, but something) but I don't think the damage to the site and the stats is worth it.

Griff - Agreed. There was no problem with the hunt refills, the issue only occur when the price to skip was dropped to 1/12 - 1/15th of what it was previous. Instead of getting 2 stats to the dollar, you were getting 30-60 (seeing as there's the chance for two stats per hunt, and that was added only a week or two beforehand o.o)

Sphinx, that's very true :I
As it is now, a 500 birth stat lioness would be 10-12yo or more before she would be able to have cubs approaching her own birth stats with the average 1.2k-2.0k stud, even if she did all her allocated hunts per day. That's taking c.4-5 months... Just to get what she was born with, without using leaderboard studs. That seems pretty broken and stagnant to me :/

And I agree about people being on a lot less. I'm keeping Mau informed of what's happening via Skype, and there's quite a few people who just haven't been around, who are always around and on the boards / in chat. The discussion over stats dying down could quite likely be attributed to that as well.

I wasn't going to rollover today. And I thought about not doing it yesterday either, but I need to keep bumping this stuff up and try to get some attention :I
And I've been on this site damn near daily (except for when my internet shat itself) for over a year now.

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Actually, as people already said before me, play to win is the most fair system that a game can have, chaos. Why? Would a pay to win system be more fair where no matter how ready you are to work your butt off for progress you wont be able to do so because those who are rich and have the money will get top positions?

People are not equally active, which added to the diversity of the site. There were those who were very active, played the majority of the day, and seeing that you could do a lot a day they felt comfortable to spend hours at a time on this game. There are those who are casual, who spend some hours, or minutes at a time on Lioden, but their activity wasnt enough naturally to compete with those who put more effort and time in their gameplay. And then there were the 'not even there just lurking' people who barely come online, barely play, yet they cry that they cannot catch up with the top players.

Work for it or pay money.

Limiting hunting will not let them progress. It will freeze the current situation instead.

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The last one is the best, it makes the adicional hunt possible to everyone but with more dificult. Since in nature there is no such a thing a easy meal always.... o-o'

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I agree with Bilby and Sphinx.
This site lost so much interest and fun for me and a part of me is close to not rollover in a whole anymore either.
Though a big issue here again is, that I feel like I am forced to rollover now, if I don't want to fall back stat-wise, since I cannot make up for it anymore with adding hunts and this will SUCK pretty much, when the holidays come up.

I find it REALLY shitty and annoying, that the old system, with 1 GB skipping DID NOT get implemented back UNTIL the staff would have found a BETTER reason.
No, instead you take something away that cripples the market, the economy and most importantly: a part of your userbase's gameplay - thanks a bunch .. not.

Yes, I'm getting frustrated and I am letting it out, because I feel this poll is only a rushed decision and is only there to keep us occupied and letting us wait and give the admins their "trying it out" time.
Trying it out for the cost of losing a part of the userbase, fun for a lot of people and frustration.

A part why I am so pissed and frustrated about it, is the way this was handled ... because it was the most unlogical and stupid way to go... yes, I've said it.
It was a miscalculation of one or more admins, fine - damage done, new system didn't work - then the most logical thing would be to revert it back to the OLD system and working on a new system, with a good made up, prepared for, poll.

Because this poll is NOT well done, nor thought through, it was just rushed, just like taking away the additional hunts, rather than the skipping, which caused the issue.

A good poll always has at least the "I refrain" option, due to the fact that some people just don't like to take part in the poll, while being fully aware of the problem.
And yes, it is better to give people a refrain option, rather than not letting them vote, because it gives a feedback of how many actually are paying attention, but just refrain from voting.
Plus, then another thing that usually is needed in polls like this is the "None of the above (another system)." and then adding that they please post their idea in the thread.

Also, the wording of the choices influenced or can influence people, hence why you should avoid wording like "Everyone has the same playing field, and it's effectively capped.".
People just read: Everyone - same playing field => influneces to vote for something the thinks sounds fair, without even knowing the after effects or the impact on the game, its economy and market.

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If they choose option 4, I can tell you already what will happen:
People who are already rich will be able to skip hunts without trouble. They will be the only ones who can still hunt 20 times a day maybe, so will get better statted lions in the end.
While those who were casual players will not only be faced by impossible skip prices but they cannot get more hunts than 10 a day in, so staying stuck in their current state stat-wise.
People who are active but dont have much GB/SB will be beyond frustrated because they want to progress but cannot because those who have more SB/GB, those who have already good lions will be able to always get more hunts in than them, thus freezing their position.
Let us not even talk about new players who usually end up with NCLs. They cannot add more hunts and progress better because it costs too much for them.

Option 4 would result in the same as option 2. Frozen top positions, frozen market positions, harder for newbies with no chance to catch up.

Just putting this here so people can think about it.

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Yap, I agree Axel, which is why I voted for Option 3.
It was the skipping that caused the problem, so it should be the one being regulated, either by price tiers or by limited skippings.

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Everything but the revertion of the system to the way it was before....that would be a total and sad regress.

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