+1 for Soren

edit: And +1 for Maulise, although I am less concerned about certain points and more about different ones, it's a well reasoned link and also I agree with the 3/1 statement.

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2 all the way, it will help dens keep their lions longer, because sometimes very valuable lions get chased because no food can be caught in time<3

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A stat wipe out wouldn't be fair to anyone , especially those who've spent everyday for more than the past month finding ways to get in 10+ hunts a day with their lioness without paying .

Of course it isn't fair to those who can afford to, and did pay either but with a stat wipe out they can just pay to do it again all over in 20 minutes and get ahead , yet again, while others would have to spend months to get back on track if not more than that . For me to get even where I'm at now has taken nearly a year as I started in February .

Not to sound like a broken record but a cap on how many hunts you can add to each lioness, still leaving them at 10 SB, to me sounds like the best option . Those who need to would still be able to skip their hunts and those who choose to can still add hunts . As someone who can hunt one girl 25 times per day I believe that changing it to where you could only add 10 or 15, 20 at most, additional hunts to a lioness would be the best solution .

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Right now I would lean toward option 2. I like it, but can see why others don't. I also think option 3 or 4 are good ideas, but I think the starting price is a little too high on the skip hunts. Maybe a lower start cost and then increase by 100SB would work.

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A stat wipe on the ultrastatted lionesses, with refunds to the players, would only be different in that the GMO cow situation was exploiting a glitch [and thus bannable] and this is not.

That was not what was being suggested, though. A total stat wipe for everyone, even those who did not grind stats, with no refunds for those who did grind stats, would not be fair.

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Griff: It would be the same "unfair" treatment they gave people who were entangled in the whole GMO Cow - GB issue.
The people got their stuff taken away and set to what they have spend on it, if there were lucky and I am not misifnormed.

I do believe the admins could look into how many times this lioness has hunted, reduce her stats to the lowest they can track and give the person that SB back, if at all.
They did the whole GMO Cow thing to not ruin the market with GB that was exploited with a loophole, this is the same situation.

And since we all agree that there should be a kind of limit, I thin limiting additional hunts AND skippings per day is the best thing.
Then people will have to decide to either go in a hunt with all 5 or just with one lioness.

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Without added hunts, I am compelled to spend enough time/sb to do all 10 hunts. That isn't fun to me. Right now, if I miss 3-4 hunts a day, oh well. If I have extra time on the weekend, I might be able to do added hunts to make that up with extra time, because I don't have the silver beetles to pay for the extra hunts during the week. I can't afford 300-400 silver beetles a day, but I CAN afford an extra few hours during the weekend.

Even if I don't actually make up that time on the weekend, with the old system, I didn't feel compelled to make 10 hunts every day because at least I had the option of going in later and really dumping a ton of time into it. Now without the added hunts, if I miss a few hunts, I never ever, ever get that back, and that to me is terrifying.

People voting for option 2 probably aren't really even thinking about the bigger picture, just themselves. Lioden is a game with a large community and everyone should be taken into account when making game changing decisions.

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A stat wipe out in any situation is unfair, and I hope it is not considered. People buy and breed and work for stats.

As Griff said, the GMO crisis occurred due to a exploited glitch. This was not, and though it may make the playing field a little more fair for hard workers I personally commend the players who had the time and resources to ultra stat those lions, however unreachable the leaderboard is now.

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I agree with Soren on their last points, about the being able to afford extra time and not extra SB

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Stat wiping would be unfair across the board and tracking lions who hunted for stats is more work for the Admins. Besides, people did spend SB on the hunts, so they would need appropriate compensation as well.

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@Shichibi, but that was not what you were suggesting. You were suggesting wiping the stats of every lion and did not mention any refunds. I was replying to that as it being unfair to the people who paid to get high stats. They should certainly get a refund if their stats are rerolled, and I don't think those who did not stat grind to the extreme should be stat wiped. I don't care much about stats but I know many people do and they would hate to lose their work.

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"People voting for option 2 probably aren't really even thinking about the bigger picture, just themselves. Lioden is a game with a large community and everyone should be taken into account when making game changing decisions."

Why do you assume people are only thinking about themselves? And even if they are, is it any different than what anyone else is doing pushing for option 1, 3 or 4? Are you claiming yourself to be looking at it from a completely objective point of view that is in no way tied to what you like to do on this site? Doubtful. People vote for what they believe in and want. Just the way it is. And the way it should be. This vote isn't set in stone anyway. It's all feedback for the admins so I really don't understand why people are getting so upset about it.

No matter what the admins do someone isn't going to like it, so their most logical course is to take into account what the majority want.

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Just going to throw this out there as something to think about. There's probably something wrong with it I'd have to imagine x.x

Maybe something like capping the stats after x amount of hunts could also work? Perhaps after the first 20 hunts the lionesses cannot gain anymore stats but still bring back food; or maybe it could be a higher number (like lets say 30) and the cap can decrease with higher levels? Meaning lets say there's a level 15 lioness and a level 30 one. The level 15 one can still earn stats for up to those 30 hunts but the level 30 one can only gain stats for 15 hunts due to the level. Or maybe after a certain level/depending on the lioness' stats to begin with will depend on if they get +2 or +1 stats per hunt on top of that.

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Eh, I feel like even with higher sb prices people will skip hunts... but only the more wealthy players would be able to skip then, which would be unfair to others. So though gb can also be bought I think it should just be brought back to option #1 if anything since people aren't going to power skip nearly as much with that price. I like having extra hunts because it gives me hope that my low stat lionesses can still be decent eventually with hard work. I hardly even used the skips

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Griff:
Yes, it is not fair for those who didn't grind, BUT if we all want it fair and square such would be the best method and the most harsh one.
Sitting it out and let the rich people with the high statted, "loophole" abused, lionesses dominating the market, getting whatnot amounts of GBs is not fair either.
Sitting it out and wait for months or years to get this solved, is unfair and all the more frustrating.

The casual players, as said, will logically vote for 2, because it is the best option for them, but not for people who really spend time in this game, who know the indepths and the consequences that this (option 2) will bring with it.

Raising prices over each time is not really bad, considering this will be an SB drain for the richer people, i.e. they won't be so eager to spend SB like mad, because they too will be run low on it or have to support the game by buying GB.
Which will effectively make the market open for better food selling, which will help new and casual players alike.

I just really hope we won't get stuck on this [2] and I'm glad that at least some blue paws seem to agree, which tells us that not all non-casual players are that wrong with their concern.

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Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the mods doing something, but this something didn't work, so it should have been reverted to the old system, then coming in a informative thread why this didn't work, explain everything, explain what will happen, explain a poll with come and THEN putting one up ... so people, even casual players, would have the time to think about it, not just them.
This all-rushed solutions and threads and discussions won't bring us anywhere, because one way or another one side will feeld neglected and misheard or unheard even :C.

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