Posted by Alternate Suggestion To Auctioning Banned Lions

Fea [eyup chuck] (#42722)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 12:26:38
Hello everyone! Off the back of the lovely discussions I had with a handful of users on this thread, I am creating this suggestion thread.

The current, revised suggestion is as follows:
❀ Banned accounts are to be wiped completely clean of items, lions, and their profiles emptied (completely, tags, art, coding, everything). This portion of the suggestion is so that we free up database space, but keep the profiles so that users aren't confused by an ID disappearing, and moderators can still look back at previous ban decisions for future reference.
❁ There would be a cool-off period of 3 months before a banned account is considered for wiping. This leaves plenty of time for the user to appeal if they need to. :)

❀ Instead of the original poll to auction off the banned users' lions, the admins & moderators will:
❁ Note down the markings, bases and manes of the lions on the banned users' account. (Without reference to whom they originally belonged).
❁ Use this as a reference list to generate either an identical or similar lion, to give other users the chance to own the same combination of marks that were deleted from the game on the banned account.
❁ I stress heavily that the original lion will be unrecognisable unless you followed banned accounts, and as such will have no emotional or moral connection to the original user.

How should the generated lion be distributed?
❀ Auction
❁ Cap on how many times you could win a lion auction a month. (So more people get a chance.)


❀ Game stud (users stud to the lion)
❁ Stud changes every week
❁ Cap on how many times you can stud to get the markings (to avoid flooding)
❁ Same price as base stud fee for the amount of marks the lion has

❀ Add an extra raffle
❁ High ticket prices?
❁ No limit on entry in terms of impression.
❁ Cap on ticket prices? OR cap on how many times you can win a month?

Suggested revisions:
❀ Katze: Create a new 'auction' feature for the generated lions that is specifically for the purpose of re-introducing older, rare marks, or marks that may in the future 'die out' due to event circumstances. Consider a stat cap or NCL stat reset. Perhaps consider auctioning generated lions with the referenced mutation.


Any more ideas for the distribution, or any constructive criticism is absolutely welcomed. I respect your right to disagree with my suggestion and point of view, but I would like to politely request that respect in return. <3

Thanks!
Fea~



This suggestion has 160 supports and 7 NO supports.



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Edited on 07/10/16 @ 20:08:31 by Fea :: The Original Assbag (#42722)

Fea [eyup chuck] (#42722)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:03:03
*sweats and adds more things to first post*
(I have to leave soon, but I will catch up tomorrow morning and add more I promise!)

@Vihuff,
This is just a suggestion as it stands, and very early on in discussion. Just because I like the studding option doesn't mean that I'm going to say that's best for the site if more people prefer a raffle or auction. <3 ^^



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Edited on 07/10/16 @ 20:04:17 by Fea :: The Original Assbag (#42722)

MajestyCoal, Wenet
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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:05:34
We could always have both? An impression raffle, a raffle for everyone, and a stud, all on the special lioness page



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Sassy [Khnum/BShR] (#72099)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:10:20
Having all 3 seems a little much imo

plus, we already have a weekly impression raffle with a chance for a nice lioness with 10 marks, some of which are uncommon/not in circulation (I believe raffles/breeding are also the only way to get lilacs afaik?)

I feel like having 2 weekly lionesses would be kind of redundant, and the issue of people going inactive after winning them is still an unfortunate possibility



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MajestyCoal, Wenet
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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:23:27
Well, what I meant by the impression raffle was what we already have.
Giving non-dreamboat players a chance at a nice lioness with only 1 rare or special mark out if 10 would be fine in my opinion. I think if it was mostly custom or NCL marks more successful players would find it less worth their time, giving casual players and newbies a better chance at getting something pretty.
A permanent studding option that rotates looks gives you a better opportunity to get that mark out to the public, and can be used by new and old players alike with equal chance if getting what you want.
It caters to both types of players, those who like things now and like the uncertainty, and those who want to wait a week and have the chance at something already made.

I've sold lions and cubs to inactive accounts, and yes it sucks, but studding could still lead to having cubs stuck permanently nesting if somebody gives up playing after they're born. Lilac is also incredibly hard to breed, so it's unlikely you'd actually get one, and it would be all the worse if the only lilac/sepia cubs ended up on an inactive account. It's something you can't really prevent either way.



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Moon Willow (ALT) (#12077)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:29:08
I voted no in the poll. There is no need to bring back those actual lions. This idea is MUCH better! There needs to be a way so this is fair to everyone. Auctions would only be win-able by the players that have unlimited funds! I've been a player for over 3 years and I rarely have more than a few hundred silver beetles. And while I am an adult, I'm only able to buy GB once in a while. Studding (like the event with the savage maned studs) is actually a brilliant idea. I like it, and Katze's idea as well. Good job.



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🐺[waya.]🐾 (#9506)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:31:23
Why not both a stud and a raffle/auction lion?

Alternating, of course, one week for each, so each one is there for a good amount of time and it is still fair.


Also, I adore this compromise!



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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:41:46
Banned accounts should absolutely get wiped, not their stuff raffled off. Permanently banned accounts do absolutely nothing but take up unnecessary space.

I voted yes to the poll because if you're raffling off account IDs you might as well just go all in, but if this is the revision then this is even better.



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Edited on 07/10/16 @ 20:42:10 by Thalath (#41669)

Myriad [mostly
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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:43:53
I was about to suggest exactly what waya just said ;)

We're always in need of more currency sinks, so a raffle system allowing multiple tickets and/or auction would help with that aspect.

Then the stud option would be more accessible for everyone regardless of luck/having tons of currency.

Alternating would give everyone a good chance of participating one way or the other :)



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Fizzlepop (#49710)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 13:53:37
Myriad and I also discussed on the previous poll thread that permabanned accounts have a little bit of text that says something along the lines of "this account has be banned permanently," or "this account is no longer active," as a softer version. I thought the second option could also be flexible to place on accounts that haven't been logged in for x amount of time, so users are unable to distinguish permabanned/abandoned accounts from each other, possibly avoiding future discussion about it.

EDIT: to tie in with what Myriad says below, say we'll pretend inactive users and permabanned users had the same text, "this account is no longer active," and someone follows old threads to the account. To cut down on the having to click to see if the user is marked as inactive, the red text would appear somewhere below the username on the post, perhaps in between the inbox icon and the timestamp (should this be a seperate suggestion?).

As for the stud lists, where the lion name would usually go the text would be placed.

It'd be great of this was implemented, and no matter hw the wording is decided, both text should show up for banned or inactive users, imo. It's super helpful in weeding out what's potentially a waste of time spent clicking.



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Edited on 08/10/16 @ 00:04:18 by Lassie [Lights Off] (#49710)

Myriad [mostly
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Posted on
2016-10-07 14:06:35
Totally forgot about that Lassie, yep :)

I do think some sort of explanatory text would help people following old links from outdated threads/bookmarks etc, to make clear that the account in question is no longer functioning.

It's made a little more complicated by the fact that currently inactive accounts have their lions' names reset after a certain period of time, resulting in the 'this lion does not exist' message when you try to visit their den. Which, as a side note, seems to confuse newer players a fair bit if they don't know about the kings' names resetting - I've seen a lot of questions about why the ID apparently doesn't exist when you try to visit inactive dens.

As it stands that text would distinguish banned accounts from simply inactive ones, unless it was changed to match, which I suppose it could be. I agree with Lassie that it might be nice to prevent future controversy/stigma by making banned accounts (those that have been banned long enough to be wiped) appear less 'obviously' banned, as it were.



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Xaila 🌠
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Posted on
2016-10-07 14:16:34
Supported. I like a lot of this. It removes any of the bad or weird feelings that might be associated with directly auctioning off a banned player's stuff, while still offering an opportunity to reintroduce certain things into the games on a limited basis.

As I said over on the other thread, I'm kind of a marking hoarder. I get kind of bummed out when certain marks I'm after kind of fizzle out and I can no longer find them...it's happened to me with some of the Feline Black markings lately. The weekly raffle girls are great for introducing new marks but I wouldn't mind seeing older ones come back through some other limited means. Personally I really liked the event studs and kind of lamented that we only had 'em for a few days. Auctions do sort of favored the more moneyed people of Lioden...but those folks also tend to be very active in breeding stuff at least, so the marks would probably still spread.



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cillian murphy
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Posted on
2016-10-07 14:29:23

To be honest, this is what we need. This is something I believe to be fair and something everyone can agree with! According to the recent polls, more people favour the idea of auctioning off the items. I feel like this is the way to go, though, as it is very well thought-out and definitely a bit fairer for those with either a) limited income b) no USD to buy GB c) people who are new/returning with small amounts of SB.




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Black Rhinoceros (#68593)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 14:44:43
This is way more complicated and just ridiculous. Just auction off the banned user's lions and other stuff.



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MajestyCoal, Wenet
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Posted on
2016-10-07 15:08:53
Rhino, the point was that it doesn't sit right with most users to take people's hard earned lions, which they may have personal and sentimental connections to for whatever reason. This was agreed as the best solution to save server space and also make sure the lions do not 'go to waste', so to speak.
I don't think it's ridiculous, I think clearing up permanently banned accounts is completely necessary, as they will NEVER be used again, and so it's useless to waste resources on them.
Old marks also need to be circulated again once they start to die out, and having more options to allow that seems like a good idea. The alternative is players purposefully keeping them rare by refusing to sell or stud, or them being lost to permanently banned accounts, which benefits nobody.



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Sassy [Khnum/BShR] (#72099)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 15:09:32
It's also more fair and doesn't involve taking other peoples things when you aren't entitled to them



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