Posted by Alternate Suggestion To Auctioning Banned Lions

Fea [eyup chuck] (#42722)

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2016-10-07 12:26:38
Hello everyone! Off the back of the lovely discussions I had with a handful of users on this thread, I am creating this suggestion thread.

The current, revised suggestion is as follows:
❀ Banned accounts are to be wiped completely clean of items, lions, and their profiles emptied (completely, tags, art, coding, everything). This portion of the suggestion is so that we free up database space, but keep the profiles so that users aren't confused by an ID disappearing, and moderators can still look back at previous ban decisions for future reference.
❁ There would be a cool-off period of 3 months before a banned account is considered for wiping. This leaves plenty of time for the user to appeal if they need to. :)

❀ Instead of the original poll to auction off the banned users' lions, the admins & moderators will:
❁ Note down the markings, bases and manes of the lions on the banned users' account. (Without reference to whom they originally belonged).
❁ Use this as a reference list to generate either an identical or similar lion, to give other users the chance to own the same combination of marks that were deleted from the game on the banned account.
❁ I stress heavily that the original lion will be unrecognisable unless you followed banned accounts, and as such will have no emotional or moral connection to the original user.

How should the generated lion be distributed?
❀ Auction
❁ Cap on how many times you could win a lion auction a month. (So more people get a chance.)


❀ Game stud (users stud to the lion)
❁ Stud changes every week
❁ Cap on how many times you can stud to get the markings (to avoid flooding)
❁ Same price as base stud fee for the amount of marks the lion has

❀ Add an extra raffle
❁ High ticket prices?
❁ No limit on entry in terms of impression.
❁ Cap on ticket prices? OR cap on how many times you can win a month?

Suggested revisions:
❀ Katze: Create a new 'auction' feature for the generated lions that is specifically for the purpose of re-introducing older, rare marks, or marks that may in the future 'die out' due to event circumstances. Consider a stat cap or NCL stat reset. Perhaps consider auctioning generated lions with the referenced mutation.


Any more ideas for the distribution, or any constructive criticism is absolutely welcomed. I respect your right to disagree with my suggestion and point of view, but I would like to politely request that respect in return. <3

Thanks!
Fea~



This suggestion has 160 supports and 7 NO supports.



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Edited on 07/10/16 @ 20:08:31 by Fea :: The Original Assbag (#42722)

vihuff (#87417)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 17:04:16
If they raffle them I definitely think you should be able to buy more than one ticket. I don't really like the one ticket per account thing. Obviously they'd have a ticket cap but I think we should be able to buy more than one. Being a raffle, even if you buy more tickets, it's a still a random draw where anyone can win.

Besides, they could always make ticket prices increase as you buy them rather than have them be the same price for each one. That way you actually have to pay more to buy more tickets and sort of discourages people of maxing out the ticket cap. It also adds even more of a sink if they increase it.

Say there was a 5% increase for each ticket with a cap of 5 tickets for example. Buying multiples would be cumulative.

1st - 50sb
2nd - 250sb
3rd - 1,250sb
4th - 6,250sb
5th - 31,350sb

So if you buy 1 you pay 50sb. If you buy 3 you pay 1,550sb. If you buy 5 you pay 39,150sb. Obviously that's just an example and there would probably be a different cap and percentage. I've seen it work on another site I'm on and that's how they raffle important things. It's a great currency sink and if you want more tickets you have to really want them. It also doesn't stop people from entering, because most enter at the lower ticket levels. Only those who really want what's raffled are ever willing to shell or the serious cash to get more tickets.

It's just a suggestion but I think it'd be a neat idea to be considered.



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Edited on 08/10/16 @ 00:06:57 by vihuff (#87417)

Dez (#66551)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 17:08:34
That's a really good idea too vihuff! I was just thinking of a way to keep it fair for all involved players, that would work very well too. ^^



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MajestyCoal, Wenet
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Posted on
2016-10-07 17:17:51
I just want to throw this out there, but people with a lot of good stuff (currency, mutations, stats, etc) already get a lot of flack, imagine if those types of players won things each week simply because they could afford it. It causes divisions in the user-base.
The only fair way is to keep it at 1 ticket per account. Multiple tickets makes the playing field even less fair for casual players, and the raffle/stud options were supposed to accessible to all, unlike our current dreamboat-only lioness raffles. With your system I could still buy at least 4-5 tickets every week through buying and selling gb, toys, food, etc. if I really felt like it.



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Meso (#49519)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 18:39:02
Personally I don't see the point of a new auction or raffle or stud to redistribute the marks/base/mane from permabanned accounts. Event marks/bases should be re-released through their respective events.
Rare markings (and slot combinations) and rarer bases can be released again through the current special lioness raffle (who carries mane colour and type for breeding). Sure there is a risk the lioness could end up on an inactive account, but the system you outline could end up the same or similar situation. Marking combinations being released should not particularly matter as that is what breeding is all about, marking slot position is more important so that the combinations are achievable again through luck, smarts and breeding items.

the wiping of banned accounts though, I fully support.



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MajestyCoal, Wenet
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Posted on
2016-10-07 18:54:40
Meso, I think we need at least another way of giving off these markings. Currently we have 52 lionesses per year with raffle marks given away and 98,000 players. Having a potential 1/98,000 chance is incredibly bad odds, and even if you reduce it down to 1/10,000 each week it's still pretty bad.
As an example, unless something has changed, the current owners of all feline 4 black lionesses and studs are inactive, banned, or refuse to stud. When you have users like that the only option is to re-raffle old marks, but that comes at the cost of potentially losing out on a new mark for that week depending on slot match-ups.
What I'm saying is that as the user base grows things actually become rarer, just compare how many users were around when raffles first started to how many there are now. It wouldn't hurt to up the odds a little closer to how they used to be.



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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 20:11:24
Support!

I particularly like the idea of the "game studs"; one stud could be available 1 or 2 weeks, to give players the chance of planning the breeding, to then be replaced by another stud, similar to the Droughts and Fires' savage and tsavo studs' system, but with more time for planning and/or give enough time for the staff to design/choose another stud. If there was a cooldown of their use - one breeding per week/2 weeks, then it wouldn't really matter much how long they were available, right?

I'd prefer the creation of another LD-wide raffle system, available to all players, regardless of impression level and or/owned currency, to even out the field, so to speak, with the cheap-tickets-but-you-can-only-buy-the-one type of raffle,so it doesn't matter much how much time you have been playing or the currency you own. It could have a cooldown limit of 1 win per month or something equivalent to the special raffle we have right now, that doesn't let you participate in the raffle if you already won in the last one, but let's you participate in the next one to that. And the idea of using them to reintroduce "dead" markings and bases is such a great one!! I hope it get's done, really.

...And I'll stop now, this is getting a bit lenghty.



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Fea [eyup chuck] (#42722)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 21:11:38
Thankyou everyone for your replies whilst I've been asleep, haha! I'm really excited about these ideas and you've all put down some great contributions. I gotta head out today, but I'll start adding to the first post when I get a spare minute today. c:

@Rhino,

I'm sorry that you think this idea is complicated and ridiculous. I'd love to hear your thoughts on why you think so, in more detail. Because as it stands, a blunt and slightly rude rebuttal isn't useful to the improvement of this suggestion, even if you're perfectly entitled to your opinion. <3 Thanks!



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Meso (#49519)

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Posted on
2016-10-07 23:04:33
@MajestyCoal, I know of several marks that are stuck on inactive accounts or held between only a few players who refuse to outside stud, so I understand the frustration. Some of those marks can't be found on lions in banned accounts so nothing mentioned here would help with those. But feline marks are raffle marks, they were released in special lioness raffles, they could be again (I do support suggestions to changing the current special lioness raffle as as it is now because of the problems with it). I assume that most of the marks people want access to are raffle released markings which may originate from a single special lioness?
I guess ultimately the thing I am most against in all of this is the possibility of event marks/bases/eyes/manes being available outside of breeding and the event they were released for.



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Just pain (#93387)

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Posted on
2016-10-08 01:19:33
I like the idea with the weekly stud, giving a lion to someone who disappears from the game 2 days after winning a lion is a painful thing to watch honestly.
Or people dont bother breeding the markings out etc etc.
After all its a breeding game, not MLG tryhard competition.



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Lex 🦋 (#56485)

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Posted on
2016-10-08 03:48:44
Okay here's an idea:

What if, instead of gb or sb, the admins invented a new currency that could be used specifically for these auctions?

It could be earned by doing something that all players can do- killing, chasing, or nature reserving Cubs.

This could be used as a way to earn special lionesses, but also reduce server strain by having players kill any Cubs that are clogging up space. No sb or gb involved

Maybe the same currency could be used in the gorilla enclave when it opens?

Edit: I could make this another suggestion that links back to this thread if need be ;0



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Edited on 08/10/16 @ 10:50:36 by Lex (#56485)

vihuff (#87417)

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Posted on
2016-10-08 04:56:00
Okay, I think a new currency may be getting a wee bit complicated/overboard.



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Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)

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2016-10-08 05:01:56
Considering we have 'referral points', and I think it has been hinted at that the Gorilla Enclave would have its own currency to buy things with, I don't think it would be too big a stretch for a new currency, especially if it is the same as used for the gorilla enclave.



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SnuhDwarf //Deca
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Posted on
2016-10-08 05:04:12
Ok perhaps I'm just being slow here, but I fail to see how this is any different than the polled suggestion? It's the same lions but just with their heritage wiped. Now I'm not against the heritage wiping but it doesn't deal with the fact that it will still be the same lions from banned accounts and all the arguments over on the other thread still stand...


Now if the staff do change up the markings or whatever to make sure they're not giving away the same lions, why do we need to go through all this trouble then? If the staff want to release some more of the rare markings into the population just do some extras raffles with lions they make. It would accomplish the same thing without all the drama and frankly very unhappy people (of whom I'm one) who strongly disagree with taking lions from banned accounts.



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MajestyCoal, Wenet
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2016-10-08 05:14:25
Dwarfess, plenty of lions exist with the same combination of marks, and if it's done like the special lioness raffle, then they'll have to have some infilled to get to 10 markings. I doubt all the rare marked and based lions from banned accounts all have 10 markings or other raffle-worthy traits.

What this suggestion is saying is to wipe the account clean, but keep a record of potentially lost things from those accounts, as reference in a new way of distributing lions. I hope that made more sense. The wiping of the account to stop people clamouring over the 'wasted' items and lions is what's really the issue here, but there needs to be a record of things from that account so nothing is completely lost in the future.

The way of actually getting more lions out into the userbase is secondary to the whole 'wiping the account' part of this suggestion, but most people seem to be in solid agreement with that part, so that's why the discussion is now mostly about what method should be used.



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Fea [eyup chuck] (#42722)

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2016-10-09 02:59:27
Yes, essentially what Majesty described here would be my answer too. c:



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