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| Posted by | Alternate Suggestion To Auctioning Banned Lions |
 Fea [eyup chuck] (#42722) Notable Lion View Forum Posts  Posted on 2016-10-07 12:26:38 |
Hello everyone! Off the back of the lovely discussions I had with a handful of users on this thread, I am creating this suggestion thread. The current, revised suggestion is as follows: ❀ Banned accounts are to be wiped completely clean of items, lions, and their profiles emptied (completely, tags, art, coding, everything). This portion of the suggestion is so that we free up database space, but keep the profiles so that users aren't confused by an ID disappearing, and moderators can still look back at previous ban decisions for future reference. ❁ There would be a cool-off period of 3 months before a banned account is considered for wiping. This leaves plenty of time for the user to appeal if they need to. :) ❀ Instead of the original poll to auction off the banned users' lions, the admins & moderators will: ❁ Note down the markings, bases and manes of the lions on the banned users' account. (Without reference to whom they originally belonged). ❁ Use this as a reference list to generate either an identical or similar lion, to give other users the chance to own the same combination of marks that were deleted from the game on the banned account. ❁ I stress heavily that the original lion will be unrecognisable unless you followed banned accounts, and as such will have no emotional or moral connection to the original user. How should the generated lion be distributed? ❀ Auction ❁ Cap on how many times you could win a lion auction a month. (So more people get a chance.) ❀ Game stud (users stud to the lion) ❁ Stud changes every week ❁ Cap on how many times you can stud to get the markings (to avoid flooding) ❁ Same price as base stud fee for the amount of marks the lion has ❀ Add an extra raffle ❁ High ticket prices? ❁ No limit on entry in terms of impression. ❁ Cap on ticket prices? OR cap on how many times you can win a month? Suggested revisions: ❀ Katze: Create a new 'auction' feature for the generated lions that is specifically for the purpose of re-introducing older, rare marks, or marks that may in the future 'die out' due to event circumstances. Consider a stat cap or NCL stat reset. Perhaps consider auctioning generated lions with the referenced mutation. Any more ideas for the distribution, or any constructive criticism is absolutely welcomed. I respect your right to disagree with my suggestion and point of view, but I would like to politely request that respect in return. <3 Thanks! Fea~ |
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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)
Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:12:17 |
"It's also more fair and doesn't involve taking other peoples things when you aren't entitled to them" You aren't entitled to anything on your account after you're permanently banned. If you break the rules and get banned you've given up the rights to your account. You've broken the contract, and your account and anything on it isn't yours anymore. It was never really ""yours"" to begin with, but that's beside the point. This is ignoring the potential moral issues of auctioning off peoples' stuff, of course. I'm just stating the cold hard facts.  0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 07/10/16 @ 22:13:36 by Thalath (#41669) |
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MajestyCoal, Wenet hoarder (#23607) View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:14:09 |
I think that meant that others weren't entitled to it either Thalath, it isn't anybodies property any more to be fair to all involved. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Sassy [Khnum/BShR] (#72099)
Heartless View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:14:48 |
'your account and anything on it isn't yours anymore.' and it's not anyone else on the websites either lmao someone being banned shouldn't be a free pass to act like a bunch of vultures with no respect for other peoples hard work 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)
Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:15:08 |
"I think that meant that others weren't entitled to it either Thalath, it isn't anybodies property any more to be fair to all involved." This I completely agree with. Like I said, I was ignoring the potential moral issues of it. I completely agree that accounts should just be wiped instead of having their stuff auctioned off. I also definitely understand the concerns that other people have, like others hoping people get banned so they can potentially get their stuff. It's a really, really messy thing and I don't think it should be implemented the way it was originally suggested. Way too much potential for tension and other negative feelings 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 07/10/16 @ 22:20:56 by Thalath (#41669) |
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MajestyCoal, Wenet hoarder (#23607) View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:16:59 |
I think this was pretty much hashed out on the other thread, but yeah, to me this is the clearest solution to give everyone equal chances for nice things without any disrespect involved. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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cillian murphy girlfriend (#65134) Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:19:33 |
0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 07/10/16 @ 22:20:19 by ⭐spookylla⭐ [Lights Off..] (#65134) |
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Kenzii[G3 Clean Ferus] (#49358) Prince of Terror View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:38:45 |
@Black, I don't know how its complicated. It really isn't. Not trying to be rude but....seems like you are only concerned about yourself and what you could potentially stand to gain. Being closed minded and focusing on the end goal that you desire is the only reason it seems "complicated". You are not entitled to anyone else's lions. Plain and simple which is why users are trying to come up with a compromise that is fair to everyone. Just because a user is banned, doesn't mean that someone else is automatically entitled or deserving of the items or lions. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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vihuff (#87417)
Renowned View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:47:30 |
Black I think you are misunderstanding. The question was about raffling lions. Not an auction and certainly not about items. So that "other stuff" would never be released back into the userbase anyway. It would only have been lions. As to it being complicated, it's actually a lot less. By just wiping the accounts, it stops people from asking about banned user's lions and items because they will be gone. They aren't there to take so it won't be an issue anymore. By getting rid of all the profiles and identity off the accounts it stops people from asking "what happened to so-and-so?" It gets rid of the curiosity and the reminder of the banned users. Right now they basically sit like memorials which doesn't seem right. And by creating a different raffle system, we fill the need of adding in more marking combos and colors that have been fading out and getting some more nice lions out there for people without the dispute of "that's not right" and "it totally is!" 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Xaila 🌠 [Interstellar Patch (#75654)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:48:50 |
Right. The point of this is to avoid any of those moral quandaries entirely. And these suggestions could also apply to situations stemming from long term inactivity too, not just stuff lost to permabanned accounts. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Sassy [Khnum/BShR] (#72099)
Heartless View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:51:58 |
'Just because a user is banned, doesn't mean that someone else is automatically entitled or deserving of the items or lions. ' this a thousand times it also just plain feels wrong to me to take any of those lions - someone worked for those, and may have loved them as much as you can love some internet pixels, they should be left alone or gotten rid of altogether, selling off other peoples efforts just bc they can no longer access them just feels... wrong... 0 players like this post! Like? |
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vihuff (#87417)
Renowned View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:53:29 |
Honestly, I like the idea of a wipe whether the lions themselves were wiped or raffled anyway. I've seen some users talking about some banned users before almost reverently, and showing their pages, which unnerves me a bit. Definitely shouldn't idolize rule breakers. And I think getting rid of any reminders and enticements is just a good idea all around. Doing it this way satisfies the most people while still allowing that wipe. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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vihuff (#87417)
Renowned View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 15:56:10 |
I'd like to add guys, that this thread isn't about whether they should be raffled or not, that's the main thread. This one is about creating and improving an alternative. Please try to keep the push and pull in the main thread. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 07/10/16 @ 22:58:33 by vihuff (#87417) |
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Fizzlepop (#49710)
Majestic View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 16:10:42 |
@Black The end goal is just as "complicated" here as the auctioning of banned user items, except you don't get to ensure you win that sparkley first gen leopon/dwarf/x rosette what have you that so and so used to own. It takes almost the same amount of work to set up that auction as it will to do any of these options, maybe even less. Saying you don't support because it's complicated is what's ridiculous. You won't be the one putting in the work to make it happen, therefore you have no idea how complicated it is. I suspect not so much, considering Katze mentioned creating a special raffle for reintroducing old marks. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dez (#66551)
Confused View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 16:29:47 |
I like this idea far better than the idea of selling the actual lions themselves. However, I'd personally like it to be sorta like the SB raffle on the site, where each account is only allowed one ticket (side accounts ok to enter.). It would make things fair for both new players and old players alike, and the tickets could still be a bit expensive, perhaps 500SB per ticket. I can guarantee that it would still act as a sink, since players would likely buy tickets for most raffles. Some could be used for studs as well, there's never been anything that it would have to be one-or, perhaps all three things (studs, raffles, auctions) could be introduced! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Griff 🐈 (#26694)
Bone Collector View Forum Posts Posted on 2016-10-07 16:42:01 |
Support. Like many others, I have moral objections against auctioning a banned player's lions off directly, as they represent time and work put into them. Making new lions with the same marks [and perhaps muts] but not stats and history would be a good alternative to auctioning them off, especially if it focuses on a ' revival' of sorts for certain bases and marks. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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