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Posted by | Let Male Leopons Breed |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-02-05 03:56:04 |
So, recently I bought and Kinged a Leopon boy as a sort of 'final project and achievement' since I don't plan to be here terribly long afterwards after I breed and spread bone lace, bone inverted zebra, and make one final attempt to King a Sextafulv. Possibly to breed mandarin, so if you happen to breed a tigon, give me a tap on the shoulder friend ;) Anyway, back to the suggestion. I noticed....my pon cannot breed. At all. From a realistic standpoint, I can see the justification of this I guess. Male hybrids are often sterile....however the females tend to be fertile. Take the Savannah cat for example. First generation males cannot breed, however once you get around the 5th, 4th, and sometimes even 3rd Generation of Males, fertility can and does return. These males can and do sire kittens. My particular Leopon is a 5th or 6th generation pon and falls well within this range, so if realism is an issue for you, consider that as an argument. Also consider that the way Lioden handles leopons isn't particular realistic either. The only felines who could produce a leopon are a pure blooded lioness and a pure-blooded leopard.. A leopon crossed with a lion would produce a li-leopon or a leopard would produce a leo-leopon, later a li-li-leopon and so on down the line with more and more convoluted names. It should be noted that male leopons have apparently successfully fathered cubs before with other hybrids (ligers to be exact), to produce the Leoliger. There does not appear to be a source for this claim however. So, you see, there is a factual basis for this implementation. As for the actual Implementation, I have two propositions: Simple ImplementationLeopons would operate just as any male would, however inverse of the Primal. That is to say, the females can breed their mutation and pass it along while males would exist and never be able to pass their mutation. A 'pon siring another 'pon would be entirely predicated on the female pon and would be no different than studding to any other male. They'd essential be NPMs (Non-passing Muties) and their mutation would be purely aesthetic. Still, wouldn't it be cool to have a pon as the father of your cubs? So that's one (and I suspect will be the most popular) way we could do it. Generation would not matter in this implementation. A first or 50th generation of pon would be able to breed. Considering there is basis for leopon breeding in reality and Lioden isn't realistic itself, there's no real reason I or any other future pon Kings should be restricted from breeding.
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Noxa (#34513)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-15 13:01:16 |
I support the idea of being able to king a leopon and have it breed like a normal lion. Originally I wanted a leopon king because I adored the lines, but when I learned I cannot breed a leopon king, my entire desire to get a leopon faded away completely. I think if the option to king a leopon would result in a breedable male lion still, I would be more interested in trying to obtain one again. Otherwise, there really isn't a point in having a male leopon. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Phantom StarsX (#92256)
Scourge of Lions View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-18 16:05:01 |
Huge support for male leopons being able to breed, that always disappointed me. 0 players like this post! Like? |
pipsqueak🌙 (alt) (#144555)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-19 20:12:51 |
I don't support this for two reasons: Yes, Lioden's realism for Leopons is at fault, but is anything else in this game realistic? It's a game about fictional lions performing fictional tasks to apeal to the player. Realism is not huge part of Lioden, and it should stay as such. Another reason is the rarity. Since Leopons are more difficult to breed it results in a rare species. That's what really puts the fun in this game. If you were to make Leopons more easy to get then what would be the fun in that? People are already doing this, with a few people having about ten Leopons in their pride. People would then storm in and complain about wanting a new species that's harder to get. Having a Pon as a king is a huge achievement, but having it should stay as having disadvantages. But on some standards I agree. Maybe make the Leopon fertile but a small chance of passing on a mutation. Truly, I see where you are coming from, but I just don't like the idea of this. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Blue Pigeon 🐦 (#68580)
Warrior View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-20 01:39:40 |
Kn33, the simple implementation (which is the one Jax is now forwarding) explicitly states that male leopons wouldn't be able to pass the mutation. Instead, this is about letting male leopons become fertile capable of breeding normal cubs - an 'inverse of the Primal' lions, where the males can pass on the primal mutation but females can't. 0 players like this post! Like? |
pipsqueak🌙 (alt) (#144555)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-20 08:14:35 |
Alabai (#28971)
Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-20 16:03:17 |
I'm not even going to argue. In the concept of game mechanics, it makes very little sense to allow you to king your 'pon, if you cannot use him to breed your own females and make your own cubs. It doesn't serve any game purpose. You can make rules to protect him from passing anything "exclusive" down, if those are concerns, if you all want to argue about that, have at- but having a "sterile" king is kind of silly, all things considered... why even allow male 'pons to be kinged if they cannot perform the basic king functions? Let them breed, and if you want to hash out the hows and what-happens-then, I'm tapping out because I am not a Leopon-focused breeder, so the details are not mine to fully comprehend. The basic game functions, however, aught to be accessible by ALL kings. 0 players like this post! Like? |
JAX • [3.12.21|MAZI nRLC+ 👑] (#98288) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-21 10:50:44 |
"hy even allow male 'pons to be kinged if they cannot perform the basic king functions?" Basically this. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Black Rhinoceros (#68593)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-05-22 04:27:05 |
Sanity [clean ehr patch] (#12917) Merciful View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-08-20 10:30:27 |
Support, support, support. I'm a fan of the simple implementation, and only the simple implementation; anything more complicated would be unnecessary, I think. It would be like having a Dwarf king. It has no bearing on breeding or passing whatsoever, and is just for people who want those lines on their king. I'm sure this is implied with the simple implementation, but Kimanjano and Mottled Rosette would NOT have a higher pass rate than from a non-Leopon king. Only from the female. Same for Tigons, later on. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Sarkshine (#138592)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2018-08-23 10:12:35 |