Haha, I was more or less joking ;) But it would be funny if it were truth, rofl. In saying that, Unholy and Sunset have scryed a lot of these babies - and Unholy and Sunset can both be bred from Brown, being Red-based. Conveeeeenient.. . LOL ;'D I think the base thing is a dead-end, I just found it coincidental tbh.

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I would think so.

If scrying to themselves under the Feline x Unders theory - Lioness A should scry rosette with herself too. She has Siamese.

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Yep, just checked the ebony and ginger soft rosette's parents too. Figured it was worth a check though, you never know? xD

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I'm feeling as if there may be multiple combinations? I did peg Coral Luster early on, though it did seem like a very unlikely component.. But ironically, a majority of my successful scry attempts were made with Coral Luster marked lions. I definitely feel as though White Feline Unders, Bone Marbled Unders, etc definitely have a key role and are grouped together as the same 'type' to allow passing.

I also feel as though Siamese (whether just Bloodbourne or otherwise) has a significant role - hence I was exploring the option earlier on, and including other markings that had leg/tail and face coverings as well (Onyx Points, Feline 5, etc) - if you look back on everything scryed, a majority have all of these specific attributes.

I'm gonna have a quick look and see if I can find anything exclusive to those points, and if there are any, I'll look and see if they share a marking with Lioness A.

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New test:

Lioness A (https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794114731598) x CUB A (https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794117127484). Cub A is 4M and three of those markings are from King A:
Slot 1: Hyena Stripes Scarce White (65%)
Slot 4: White Inverted Brindle (78%)
Slot 7: Cloudburst Shroud (58%)
Plus Onyx Ear Backs in #9.
This scrying did NOT produce a rosette.

Seeing if I can find other cubs from this king that might narrow down Lioness A's odd patterns.

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Right - the only pairing that didn't have a parent with siamese, onyx points, or feline 5 is this one:


(While I was looking for the above marks, I did notice a fair few 'belly' marks in the mix of successes.)

So looking at that pairing there, I'm going to assume that the Bone Marbled Unders has been one of the passing marks, and I'm going to assume it has either combined with the Chatoyant Feline or alternatively spawned on its' own without another marking required. I suspect that only because of the Soft Rosette landing in Slot 12, which neither parent has - which means it randomly spawned like other rosettes.



I'm not going to scry with Chatoyant, because the cub had it. It didn't have Bone Marbled Unders, though.

Also, assuming opacity passes like it usually does; it would fit in line with it passing from Bone Marbled Unders and not Chatoyant Feline. The king has a missing slot 7, which means the Chatoyant pass-rate opacity would be much less than the 37% that was scryed

.. Also, interestingly, it has the same opacity as White Underfur. Now going to check all marks against existing marks to see if any others share opacities.

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Lioness A: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794114731598

With CUB B: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794117132644
Who carries from King A:
Slot 1: Hyena Stripes Scarce White (47%)
Slot 2: Black Dorsum (41%)
Slot 3: Shell Feline Unders (9%)
Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx (73%)
Slot 10: Vitiligo 6 (73%)
NO SUCCESS

CUB C: 794117063945
Who Carries from King A:
Slot 2: Black Dorsum (22%)
Slot 3: Shell Feline Unders (40%)
Slot 6: Under Cream 4 (34%)
Slot 10: Vitiligo 6 (54%)
* Inverted Rosette Saffron
* Inverted Rosette White

CUB D: 794117041573
Carries from King A:
Slot 2: Black Dorsum (15%)
Slot 3: Shell Feline Unders (19%)
Slot 4: White Inverted Brindle (48%)
Slot 9: Vitiligo 4 (41%)
Cream Rosette

CUB E: 794116949495
Carries from King A:
Slot 4: White Inverted Brindle (35%)
Slot 6: Under Cream 4 (63%)
Slot 7: Cloudburst Shroud (44%)
Slot 9: Vitiligo 4 (49%)
No success

CUB F: 794116770983
Carries from King A:
Slot 2: Black Dorsum (40%)
Slot 6: Under Cream 4 (43%)
Slot 7: Cloudburst Shroud (53%)
Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx (95%)
No success

And at this point, I have to stop - my eyes are going cross from looking at all these scries for rosettes. xD

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I know, right xD It gets mind-numbing!
I'm presently opacity scrying, to try and pin down exact markings that are passing at the same opacity rate as the successfully scryed/born cubs. I'll be doing a large spreadsheet at 100 tries each. This should, technically, pin down the exact markings capable of passing the marking. It won't give the formula, but it should give a fair idea of what markings we need to keep an eye on, definitively. Assuming it passes like a normal marking opacity-wise, that is.

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My king x Lioness x70 (ran out of SBs :P) Nothing.

Figured I'd try one of my side's girls with my main king. Probably gonna be my last set for now. I'll be stalking the thread though, see if I can maybe notice something helpful. x)

Edit: Will try to scry my king and my mott together around RO.

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I'll have some interesting results with marking opacities to share shortly, guys. Just wanted to make a quick note - I've been scrying the parents of the two rosettes that have been born - the first set I have scryed 300 times and the second set 100 times - with no other new rosette marks showing up, so either the luck is crappy with the stone, or the pass rate is atrocious!

Either way, I'm thinking we might not have conclusive fail results at the moment, so I'll be focusing all my energy on examining the proven results and not worrying hugely about the fails, because due to results from he scrying stone, we could scry 200 times in a row and still not have the mark appear, even if the parents are able to produce it.

Maybe there is some other factor at play? Maybe there is an environmental factor to the markings, like time of day or season, like with Cloudburst, perhaps? .. Although, would Xylax mention that, if that was the case?

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Alright, guys. Here is a spreadsheet to the start of my opacity investigations.

SPREADSHEET

Lions are separated by colour columns. Each lion is scryed 100 times. Results recorded are either an exact marking opacity replicate, or as close to the marking as would allow if an exact did not appear.

I assume those with exact markings are lions who replaced a lesser marking with the required marking/s combination. Those that didn't scry the needed opacity must have combined with the other lion marking, under my theory?

The results for the Ebony Soft Rosette cub are the ones' I find most interesting of all of them. She is the grey column. Under my theory, the combination for her result would have been Royal Belly x Onyx Okapi. Alternatively, the passed marking takes the opacity of the marking that would have passed in that slot, instead?

What I *really* need is for someone (or myself) to scry a SECOND rosette from an original pairing..
So if anyone would like to scry confirmed pairings, I would be very grateful - as that is what I will be doing next, so I can record the slot and opacity information!

I won't be adding further opacity information to that spreadsheet until I have scryed a second new rosette - there's no point, until I know how the slots and opacities pass.

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I can re-scry a pairing if you want. Is there a certain pair you'd like scry'd, which one would be most useful?

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Literally any, Talmoi - I'd be eternally grateful x'D I've already spat like 8GB into scrying LOL and more to follow bahaha. Perhaps try the parents of the Ebony Soft Rosette? Her parents have less markings to try and decipher opacity from.

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I'm going to continue scrying the Ginger Soft Rosette cub pairing; seeing as I've invested 300 into there already xD!

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Just did 200 scry's for the soft ebony, No new rosettes. Got mottled twice and a couple sunsets.

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